If Ferrari ever left Formula 1, would you stop watching?

Everything changes. Ferrari isn't what it used to be. F1 isn't what it used to be. Its all sinking into the sunset. One day I'll stop watching but for the moment I still care.

 

Ferrari are victims of the rules, its not that ferrari couldn't build a winning car, but the rules PREVENT the development of cars, so unless you hit the ground running day one (which Mercedes with their cheats have done in 2014), there is no way you can catch up. You must see that the likes of Ferrari, Red Bull, Mclaren, are successful builders of race cars, easily capable, with the ability to test and develop, of building a better race car than they have. The rules hinder us, not the team themselves. If you think it does, then I urge you to find out about formula one BEFORE these rules were initiated and see how great formula one and its teams once were.

 

Somebody said that in 1974, and again in 1999. And then...

That's why I love Ferrari.

If they left, I'd keep watching, just like I watch endurance or bike races: they entertain me but don't make me jump from the armchair, for good or for bad. And I don't loose any sleep for them or watch them if I have anything else to do.

 

I tend to agree with everything you have said but Red Bull have made huge gains against Ferrari so it cannot be all down to testing alone. The cap on spending to reign in costs is really a farce and to appease the green brigade. Watch the old V12's on youtube then you will realise what hogwash you are actually watching.

 

Were Ferrari to follow through on Marchionne's threat and pull out of F1, there would be no
F1.

What would the point be exactly?

BHW

 

ah, so after bad suppliers, Verstappen, etc etc now it's the rules.... Fine to have that clarified. For a moment I thought is was due to....... FERRARI...

 

Are you just being aggressive for the sake of it, or are you seriously missing what’s happened over the last ten years and not following f1?


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No. I would enjoy the fact that one team wasn't getting special treatment anymore.

 

Not agressive i would say but stunned by the ignorance/denial displayed.


Following f1 from 1979- Mexico 2017 so that does include the last 9 disapointing years of Ferrari.

Rules apply to all teams. (And IF teams where cheating to create an advantage, Ferrari should have been one of them.)
All teams work with third party suppliers.

Some teams are just dealing with it better. Ferrari did not for the last 9 years.

if you are pointing to somebody else, 3 fingers are poining to yourself. At Ferrari they still do not get that. Some fans either

 

If you e watched over that period, you know that F1 is about development and testing, more than the race itself. It’s no good shackling teams with ridiculous rules decided on to SUIT EXCLUSIVELY one team over the other nine


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I knew I left something out

bad supplier, Verstappen, the rules, the FIA .... thanks for reminding

 

Can you show me where I’ve excused anyone for bad suppliers or mentioned lil Maxine? If you want to debate with me, at least stay on point


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Damn, forgot about that ugly thing!!

 

if you honestly believe that than that explains the justification for your true support.


however do you honestly believe it? do you honestly believe that the rulemakers deliberately give an advantage to one team?? Do you honsetly believe that the 9 other teams would have accepted that?

The fact is that MB outsmarted all the others. You honestly believe that this was part of the plan? Look at honda, the biggest engine manufacturer of the world and how they struggled.
The rules provided equal opertunity to all manufacturers but renault and ferrari just screwed up. And honda showed just how wrong the system was.

The tokensystem was setup in the thought that all manufacturers would be quite equal at the start ( like before) and the system's aim was to make it cheaper. No one ever expected MB to be superior but it turned out that way. Could have been Ferrari or Renault too.

 

Mercedes are documented as having pushed for the new rules, and with the system that is in place, FIA were terrified Mercedes would leave F1, and so pandered to them. That’s it. If you don’t accept it, that’s up to you


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Anyone that believes that the rules are hard wired to favour Merc is deluded and reaching for excuses. It's as simple as that.

 

Explain how they are the only team with aware of the change in rules to be applied to new engines from spa onwards then

 

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Yawn...

 

Explain how Honda, with total knowledge of all competing engine suppliers solutions, in particular the Merc engine, can still be absolutely no where near competitive. In both cases, it's got nothing to do with prior knowledge and everything to do with the quality of the job done by the designers. This formula has been around for years. It is fully mature. There are no more excuses.

 

You think the engine builders have given Honda EVERY secret? Get real. They helped them get a basic spec done, and left them too it



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Merc was smart to introduce there latest spec engine prior to Spa as they could capitalize on the oil consumption limit. While other engines introduced from Spa on had to conform to the lower limit. That is called working smart and using the grey area in the rules to your advantage. Now if the FIA went and said that all engines regardless of when the spec was introduced from Spa forward must not consume more than xxx amount of oil in a race then every one has to change there engine spec and it would have leveled the playing field.

All the rules have grey areas to them the team the works within the grey areas the best tend to gain an advantage. IE Ferrari running freon in there tires, Red Bull with flexible wings Renault with there mass damper. need I go on???

For all we know Ferrari could come out with a new suspension system next season that increases mechanical grip 25% allowing them to run 20% less downforce and drag that would take all the other teams nearly a year to catch up. This is the nature of F1 right now. Merc has the power unit side sorted out the chassis and aero side not so much.

 

Deflecting his question to Honda still doesn't obviate the fact that FIA handed the WDC/WCC to MB with that dumb rule. The rules should apply to everyone at all times or just forget about it.

 

Not true. Vettels dumb mistakes, various driver errors and kimis weakness as a number 2 driver had far more impact than that. Stop blaming the rules, which all teams signed up to, for Ferraris poor performance.

 

I might be wrong but was it not reported that Ferrari exactly asked that question: will all the engine have to apply to that rule or are engines made before that day are free to use more oil?
Apparently the answer of the FIA was that it does not matter as nobody will bring a new engine before that date anyway just to see Mercedes exactly doing so...
I do not want to participate in any conspiracy but if this is true at least the FIA is extremely stupid to make such a statement....

For all the rest: the teams agreed on this stupid token system that favoured the team that starts with the best package (engine) as the others will have problems to close the gap. Now it is not Mercedes problem that they are the team in front but the problem of the other teams why they ever agreed on that ****....

As for the "Ferrari is crap for the last 9 years because they did not win a WDC"...If F1 is only OK when a Ferrari is winning the title then you should watch Ferrari Challenge! Winning is much more fun when you loose in between, a series where Ferrari is winning every single year would be boring. And if it is only the title that matters instead of trying, why would the other team compete? The times where Ferrari is above every other marque or team are gone since the 1960s...Other marques build good cars as well and sometimes you win and sometimes you loose, this is called competition.

 

They may have signed up, but there wasn’t any choice involved, it was this way, or the highway, and by the way, your get out clause for f1 is ‘x million dollars’


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