Rock 'n Stroll . . . The Stroller Thread.

Total payments are a hell of a lot more...

Exactly, even with the real figure if they hire a driver on Strolls level the loss of championship moneys will be felt very much.

 

Understood. That's why I want to know the difference twixt positions. It was either Hobbs or Matchett that said Renault and Toro Rosso were fighting for 6 million dollars.

Does anybody actually know the precise payouts?

Edit: Drat!!! google, as always, is one's friend. Just that it's 2016.... http://www.totalsportek.com/f1/formula-1-prize-money/

 

I meant to say Stroll Sr.'s deal with Williams and his son. Should have clarified that.

 

Also fer instance...I don't think any driver would have made up the 104 point spread between Williams (83) and Force India (187) this year so there's a lot to consider besides stating "Williams should come to it's senses".....

 

Debatable I think.

A quicker combination of drivers (Massa is nowhere near his old level) would've fought the Force India's more and harder, thus taking points from them, causing the gap to be smaller...IMO that Williams is capable of a top 10 finish at every single track. Imagine if they had Alonso and Van doorne in that car, for instance? I really think they'd have been either just ahead of just behind the Force India's, and not over 100 points back.

 

I had to look her up and I think she is a hottie for sure.

 

I think Lance hurt himself giving his season an 8.5 out of 10.

Its fair to list your accomplishments but he should have said he still has long way to go. A little bumility might have softened his critics.

Next year people will say he’s no longer a rookie. There will be no more excuses to use. If he doesn’t progress the world will come down in him.

 

I disagree. I don't think the Williams was that good this year. But, I'll play along.
Have you taken into account that having to pay their salaries you're now removing from the kitty whereas Stroll is adding to the kitty? Now 'have to come up with enough additional sponsorship to pay the additional salaries of these drivers PLUS the loss of the "30" million that is no longer coming in from the rent-a-seat?
Like I said, much to ponder...not so simple as guessing what would be better...as I'm sure Williams
are capable of determining.

 

It’s not sufficient to argue over the Williams points this season and the $$ lost via stroll. You need to consider the lifetime impact of this disaster. Think about long term damage to the Williams brand and the multi year loss of sponsor $$. Stroll Snr isn’t going to bank roll Williams for ever. Who’s going to plug the gap when he decides his kid needs to do something different - like knitting.

 

This is my theory about Williams

1) they thought Stroll was "good enough" to hold his own and wanted the dough
2) they didn't expect Bottas to jump because they didn't expect Rosberg to quit
3) they expected Bottas to do just fine and Lance to be good enough.
4) when Bottas quit at the last minute, Williams was stuck and had to get Massa who was all to willing to come back
5) Massa is no Bottas and Stroll is no Massa

end result: A rather embarrassing season given they have the Mercedes engine.

 

This season costed the Stroll Family $80 Million

Worth it????

http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/report-lance-strolls-father-spent-80-million-get-son-f1-seat

 

We still have 2 more seasons to go to cover that $80 million. I'm sure if you ask Dad he would say yes. Williams would say yes. Most of us would say no.

 

While we're talking theoretical fantasy, may I suggest, again, that theoretically,Williams knows what it's doing (of course, however, "we" know better...)....and having to pay Alonso's and van Doorne's fees, and without Stroll's contributions, it would have had to close it's doors....
I guess then we wouldn't be debating it's "lifetime impact" as it would no longer be alive?
Am I so out there to suggest that of course they could have done better with better drivers and "other"money? However, they chose the more difficult, challenging course to impress, correct?

I mean, we all have seen monkeys fly, right?

 

Anyone knows why Lawrence vetoed Lando Norris at Prema in F2?

 

As opposed to closing shop for either Lance's F1 hopes or Team Williams, an emphatic YES.

(pssstttt...the past tense of "cost" is "cost", not costed )

 

I give him another year ...got off to a bad start ,improved a bit ,then kinda lost it towards the end of the season.

Williams really need an experienced driver to steady the ship..Sirotkin is not the answer ...Kubica is still a bit suspect i guess..Di Resta hasn't got the out n out talent i think..Werewolf hmmm also nothing special so far...Kvyat fast but fragile.

Alex Lynn was very highly rated by Williams,but after Stroll got the drive he signed up for F Eeew and WEC...

Remember the WDC drivers in a Williams ? Jones,Rosberg,Piquet,Mansell,Prost,Hill,Villeneuve.

Grove, we have a problem!

 

For Alonso they needed to pay 40 Million rather than getting 40...so they would have almost needed to become WCC to make up this money

 

Yep this is exactly what happened. They had a huge testing program for him to get him up to speed but it hasn't worked. I don't exactly blame them for taking money and run an F3 champion, worked out well for Max and Ocon...but IMO they should've tested Stroll properly before announcing (from both sides!), it would've saved a lot of embarrassment for all involved.

Nope the 80m figure is correct for this season.

 

True, but the potential sponsorship opportunities and able to ask for more money by finishing in the top 3 is not calculated there (not that I think the car would be able to finish top 3, mind you)

 

We all like to bash on Stroll. He's the kid that daddy bought an F1 seat for. However, if we put ourselves in a similar situation with the financial resources that Big Daddy Stroll has, what would you do? If I had a child that had some talent as a driver and they wanted to be in F1, I would do anything and everything to make their dream come true. Would it be worth it? To make the kids dream come true, yes. Comparing their talent to others who earned their way into F1, not so much.

 

True, I would too but either hold off in F2 another year or two or put him in F1 but in a backmarker team so he can develop his race-craft in an F1 car....not in a mid-field team.

 

Yes and no...an opportunity for such a drive opens up I'm sure I'd have taken it too and skipped F2...

The reality is they faked Stroll's career with quicker engines vs his competition and you can't fake it in F1. If I was as slow as Stroll I don't think I'd stay another season, it's just embarrassing. Racing in GT3, LMP2 he'd be more competitive and the racing would be more fun, there'd be no eyes on his career.

 

Exactly. See post #1408.

 

And #1413 and #1415.

 

I'ts an interesting debate that's for sure. Long term IMO Stroll is a bad thing. Williams is not dead poor so wouldn't go belly up if Stroll didn't come knocking on the door. With Strolls lack of experience his development input will be about zero.