How Much You Guys Think?

This is the same for sale thread on FChat:
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/2006-ferrari-f430-gated-6-speed-manual-tasteful-accents.563777/

I don't recall the guy saying its a F1 conversion on his for sale thread... very misleading then. Makes me question the rest of the car.

 

It's a cool car, and the manual conversion doesn't bother me. Those are done with OEM parts, so an improvement, IMO. High miles are high miles, however, and 50K+ is high miles.

Might be a good opportunity to get a gated 430 for reasonable cash, but he was asking over $130K last I heard. Pass at that price, but I might go $99K for it.

I'd still need more details though: Suspension rebuilt? Motor/transmission mounts? It could need a LOT of things.

 

Interesting car. A lot of discussion in the BAT link about the car. I wonder what it will go for also. I am not a fan of the interior. Looks like the lowest priced F-1 430's are in the 80's so if the car is good it should go for more than that but not as high as a factory three pedal which are going for ???

 

That appears to be a car that i helped convert. If its in San Antonio thats probably it

 

Yep, thats definetly the car i helped convert. I didnt recognize it at first cause of the stripes. He added them after. I flew out there to European Auto Group and helped him convert it. They work on all high end cars. This is an awesome car and converted correctly.

 

I don't think he's going to take 99 for it. No one works for a loss, or for free, nor does anyone deserve too... The project was completed Here at European Auto Group in Partnership with Lorenzo (WOFERRARI) and Ferrari of San Antonio for Genuine Ferrari Parts.

Guys and Gals on here know very well I have posted about this maybe 2 years ago. Since than a lot of research has gone into doing a proper swap with correct parts. With all the hard work and research and thanks to Lorenzo, between us we have 2 successfully built Gated 6 Speed Manuals.

 

Well dang. Now I'm tempted to spend some money.

 

No disrespect to WOFERRARI and seller. I don’t care who did the conversion. Converted cars always seem like gender reassignment. I know we should be accepting and all but I am personally not interested. I’d rather have an f1 if I can’t afford a bonafide mt.


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This was completed a few months ago. Since 7,000 Miles have been put on the car with no issues and has proven to be very reliable. Lorenzo and I ironed out any small minor details between these cars. Yes. Profit is always a good thing. And we are hoping to collaborate on any future projects. We will gladly take a Scuderia. I have a gentleman in Dubai who is offering to ship his 458 for experimental 6 Speed Swap. We already have a good amount of research into this next project.

 

I have a difficult time with this statement. We took a Factory Manual car and swapped the Parts that are Originally Produced for the same exact car. This is not a F430 with a Getrag transmission swap. Its difficult for people to understand the parts and logic. A Bobcat is still a Bobcat with the bucket or with a Hammerjack Attachment, both are produced parts by Bobcat for Bobcat.

 

65K to 70K is all the money for that car. There is a reason why it is on an auction site.

 

Yeah, it's absolutely worthless now, its worth less than a Salvage F430 F1. Someone had to much money and should have just Flushed it down the toilet instead, the toilet that spins backwards. And assuming there is a reason, "Ass-U-Me" makes an ass out of you and me. There must be a reason why Ferrari charges $300,000 for cars hmmmmmm....

 

Ridiculous comparison. Why would a bobcat with a factory bucket be worth more than a bobcat with a bucket I put on. It isn’t!

This is different altogether. It will always have a story attached to it and be worth less than a factory mt. If I’m wrong it should be selling as easily and for same price as a 50k mile factory mt.


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Why are UGR Gallardos selling for 150K over what they are worth? Maybe your bucket is made out of gold? It's not a ridiculous comparison. I compared bobcat to bobcat, you compared bobcat to what "You" put on it. The comparison is a Ferrari with Ferrari parts not what "I produced" .

Mr Jones, Has an annual salary of 200K. Through out the year Mr. Jones puts on a black suit every day.
The following year. Mr Jones comes in with a blue suite. Is Mr. Jones now worth 100k?

Why would this vehicle be worth Less than an F1? Please explain..
Why is it worth Less than a Gated Manual at current Market Value? Please explain..

The market will determine the price as supply and demand varies.

Why do we pay 120K for resto mod 1960's mustangs that have a marginal amount factory parts?

 

Tough to guess what this will go for... the mileage will impact it's marketability....and then the conversion/mod/upgrade/whatever you want to call it, is a complete wildcard. Lots of ppl lose money on mods.
Like it or not, many ppl will perceive it as less than a factory gated, therefore not collectible. That will always affect it. Additionally, there's nothing exclusive about doing this. Someone could take a lower mileage "better" 430 and do the same thing to it as well, so why pay a premium for this one? Ppl don't pay top dollars for modded drivers. Esp ppl with a "Ferrari mindset".
IMO It's worth at least what a 50k mile F1 would go for. Not sure how much more though. Without many comparable, I'd put it at the lower end,
If this becomes commonplace, I could see it bringing down the values of factory gates as well.

 

I think to get all the money there will need to be a detailed accounting of the parts put on, sort of like a report. I am guessing there are a lot of parts that needed to be swapped that a lot of people dont think about like instruments and steering covers and different brackets and sensors and circuit boards. Someone on BAT asked about the functions of the traction controls on the steering wheel. I was wondering about that too, since didn't some of the rear axel stuff share the pressure of the F1? So when the next owner takes it to the dealer for service and the goons there plug it into the computer what will be the result? Is everything OKie dokie?

Heres the hard part to factor. It is a very low spec'd car with the plastic silver dash trim option, tan wheel and dash and basic seats that look very tired and heck lets be fair they should look tired. The car has what 52K miles? What would the value be for an F1 car with no options and 52K miles? Then you have to add in the work and parts and hopefully the "report" passes muster and is a wholesome document that a normal owner and dealer network can use.

 

The car has an extensive list of all factory original parts purchased through Ferrari. Which will be provided. All electronics on the vehicle work, SD2 and SD3 see all modules as they would in any Manual Gated vehicle. No Electronics need to be replaced, no circuit boards or sensors other than clutch wear are removed, all other components are on F1 and Manual Vehicles. The coding in the cluster to recognize the ECU's as a Manual Shift. A new wiring harness from the engine to the cabin was installed that plugs directly into the vehicle, this deletes the TCU and only has the Engine Computers on this wiring Set. There is nothing funny or weird that a Ferrari tech will see as everything is completed to factory specification. Nothing inside the transmission or transaxle gets replaced. The Hydraulic shift assembly on the OUTSIDE of the transmission is removed and replaced with a Manual control box with Shift Cable Linkage. The reservoir and power unit with ATF for the E-Diff system are re-routed per factory diagram on a Manual Shift Car.

In addition we are here to support the future owner with any questions and concerns. We are also backing the vehicle with a 2 year unlimited mile warranty on Parts and Workmanship that went into this vehicle to complete it.

 

Sounds like you know your stuff. It's very critical that if you were gone tomorrow the next steward of the vehicle be able to communicate with all future owners what the car is. I am only talking this way because we are talking Ferrari. It's a whole different ballgame because the cars are that incredible and are really.... way more than cars.

 

Parts to do this are more scarce than Gated Manuals. This car is not meant to be a collectable. Its a car with 52k miles, that has been driven, meant to be driven, and not garaged for the next 10 years. The closest one we saw that sold was a 2005 with 17K miles for $140,000.

 

Believe it or not these cars are pretty simple to work on and not complicated. It was much harder to do a 6 Speed Manual swap from Tiptronic Auto on a 2004 Audi S4. Now that was a challenge. Not plug and play like the F430.

 

What makes this $13,000 BMW 135i worth 30K? It will probably sell for 50k. It has an S65 V8 Swap...

The market will show the true value.
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Never said would be worth less than an f1. Did I?

Will it be worth same as factory mt, sorry to hurt your feelings but no. Why would someone pay same for a car with a story? Just unreasonable.

I would never pay 120k for a modded mustang.



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