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Countach QV FI Thread

Discussion in 'LamborghiniChat.com' started by johnhoughtaling, Nov 2, 2017.

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Ellagirl F1 Rookie

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#126 Ellagirl, Dec 21, 2017

Get back with me in 10 years,as my post said, (that is if we are both around)unless you posess the magig of reading the future 10 years out.

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#127 Ellagirl, Dec 21, 2017

Jalpa_Mike said: ↑

I remember when Maserati introduced the Biturbo to the USA in 1984, all the magazines of the day was scratching their heads as to why they still used the Weber 36DCNVH carb. The feeling was, Weber would have killed Maserati if they quit producing cars with Carbs and switched to fuel injection since they were partners for so many years. Most cars back in the 80’s were already switching to fuel injection for the exact reasons Raymond stated. By the time Maserati finally got it right in 1986 with the 425i and further in 1989 with the 228 & 430, the damage was done. Maserati pulled out of the USA and wouldn’t return until 2002. The carb cars were horrible in that they suffered from vapor lock and were very hard to start when warm. To this day, a 228 or 430 model will bring much more money than a 1984, ‘85 Biturbo.

I would think that as more countries such as Switzerland start cracking down on importing cars with carburetors it will be harder to bring them in and register them. Folks will then start looking at the fuel injected version as an alternative. Given that the DD version represents about 2/3 of the production of the Quattrovalve and the fuel injected version the other 1/3, this will help drive up the price of the fuel injected model due to its smaller production numbers. Of course this is just my humble opinion. I think we’ve all scratched our heads at values of collector cars over the years trying to figure out why one goes up and another stagnates.

Mike
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All true the carbs would not comply with modern emission, the point is,they would have introduced the qv engine with fi,from the get go,if mony allowed,(they choose spacer on the existing cyl block,to acc for the longer stroke,as opposed to cast a new one piece block casting)why on earth would a manufacturer at the time develope modern 4 valve heads,then use carbs(they might be sexy now)but back in the mid 80 s? C,mon, with 956,race cars,and the likes all fuelinjected. No argument reg values,the market speaks, not for me to worrie about,but,as stated,10 years from now,lets have this argument again.the "newest"Countach will be almost 40 years old, it will be all about Countach the car, If,at all, there is any interest left in our hobby,

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#128 joe sackey, Dec 21, 2017

Ellagirl said: ↑

Get back with me in 10 years,as my post said, (that is if we are both around)unless you posess the magig of reading the future 10 years out.
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I'd love to compare our posts 10 years from now, if past performance is any indicator of the future (it is) then I haven't fared too badly with my predictions about Lamborghinis (Miuras & Countachs) the past 30 years that I have been involved with them, have I?

Meanwhile I remain quietly confident about the future, and I'm not basing it on guesswork, I'm basing it on documented current market trends, emerging tastes, day-to-day trading, and accumulated data.
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#129 Ellagirl, Dec 21, 2017

joe sackey said: ↑

I'd love to compare our posts 10 years from now, if past performance is any indicator of the future (it is) then I haven't fared too badly with my predictions about Lamborghinis (Miuras & Countachs) the past 30 years that I have been involved with them, have I?

Meanwhile I remain quietly confident about the future, and I'm not basing it on guesswork, I'm basing it on documented current market trends, emerging tastes, day-to-day trading, and accumulated data.
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Fair enough. Time will tell
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#130 johnhoughtaling, Dec 28, 2017
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Ellagirl said: ↑

Fair enough. Time will tell
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It’s nonsense to try to argue or even suggest that a FIQV and an DD will ever be or should be the same price in the collector market. No one with a Miura or S, suggests that it will or should catch up to an SV or that a carbed boxer and a FI boxer are or should be the same value. It’s just ridiculous. And if that’s the discussion of this thread I’m sorry I started it. Bc its nonsense.

The reason I started the thread was because after 20 years of owning a DD, I bought a FIQV. I still have my DD but I wanted a FI car.. Why because it’s nearly the same car as my DD for 1/2 to 1/3 the value of my DD. And That’s AWESOME, bc you can buy a car that is identical in all but a few things for 1/2 the price?? That’s a cause for celebration!! Not some idiotic biased notion on a fabricated wish by a FI owner that it should be as good as a DD. Almost as good, yes of course. As good or as valuable, never. But that’s what makes the FI car so fantastic a value.

I sold my SV, arguable one of the most famous, if not the most famous SV in the world 4870 (thanks Joe!) because I could by a lime green Muira S for less than 1/2 the cost. I actually preferred the eyelashes of the S and I wanted green, and the fact it left me with a big pile of cash was a huge bonus. But I never argued that it should be as valuable as an SV, hell no, I didn’t want it to be!!! Why? Bc the thing wouldn’t be as “cheap” compared to an SV.

So those of you with FI cars like me. Embrace the fact it’s less expensive. You can argue “value” you get for your money. But don’t make silly arguments that it should be the same (it will not) in global collectibility. DD has been and will remain among the most, valuable Countach variants. Always has been always will be.

The FI model, IMHO is arguable the best value out there. Has always been and hopefully will stay that way. Someday a FI Q.V. will be a million dollar car, and a DD will be a 2M car. Relax about the DD and enjoy the best value out there. Now Off soap box. And onto pictures

Our FI car arrived. Now just removing the aweful after-assembly-line modifications the poor lineman at the factory were forced to make to the car to get it into the US, (It’s like they were forced to take the car. It amazes me people left these things on the cars. Anyone ever seen an Mclaren F1 driving around with the US with the Amerispec appendages? Didn’t think so.
Part of the reason FI cars are so low is most have these stupid compliance modifications. My bet is all FIQVs will be brought back to proper state, and this will rise values.

Here is our Image Unavailable, Please Login one owner Countach in amazing original condition

Will post more photos as work progresses

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#131 S_AGATA, Dec 28, 2017

johnhoughtaling said: ↑

It’s nonsense to try to argue or even suggest that a FIQV and an DD will ever be or should be the same price in the collector market. No one with a Miura or S, suggests that it will or should catch up to an SV or that a carbed boxer and a FI boxer are or should be the same value. It’s just ridiculous. And if that’s the discussion of this thread I’m sorry I started it. Bc it drivel.

The reason I started the thread was because after 20 years of owning a DD, I bought a FIQV. Why because it’s merely the same car for 1/2 to 1/3 the value of my DD. That’s awesome bc you can buy a car that is identical in all but a few things for 1/2 the price?? That’s a cause for celebration not some idiotic notion on a fabricated wish it should be as good as a DD. Almost as good, yes of course. As good or as valuable, never. But that’s what makes the FI car so fantastic a value

I sold my SV, arguable one of the most famous, if not the most famous SV in the world 4870 (thanks Joe!) because I could by a like green Muira S for a fraction of the cost. I actually preferred the eyelashes of the S. But I never argued that it should be as valuable as an SV, hell no, I didn’t want it to be!!! Why, no the thing wouldn’t be as “cheap” compared to an SV.

So those of you with FI cars like me. Embrace the fact it’s less expensive. You can argue “value” you get for your money. But don’t make silly arguments that it should be the same (it will not) in global collectibility. DD has been and will remain among the most, valuable Countach variants. Always has been always will be.

The FI model, IMHO is arguable the best value out there. Has always been and hopefully will stay that way. Someday a FI Q.V. will be a million dollar car, and a DD will be a 2M car. Relax about the DD and enjoy the best value out there. Now Off soap box. And onto pictures

My FI car arrived. Now just removing the aweful after assembly line modifications the poor lineman at the factory were forced to make to the car to get it into the US, It amazes me people left these things on the cars. Anyone ever seen an Mclaren F1 driving around with the US with the Amerispec appendages? Didn’t think so.
My bet is all FIQVs will be brought back to proper state, and this will rise values.

Here is our View attachment 2482201 one owner Countach in amazing original condition
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Great post.

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#132 johnhoughtaling, Dec 28, 2017

S_AGATA said: ↑

Great post.
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Oh and Joe, I know the DD abbreviation bothers you and that the proper term is Downdraft. But from my last Countach story I hope you appreciate my amusement in the irony of the smaller reference.

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Now guys, let’s not talk about the DD and talk FI QVs
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#133 johnhoughtaling, Dec 28, 2017
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Opened the glove be box of this immaculate one owner Countach. It was like finding buried treasure!

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#134 Spyder-Man, Dec 31, 2017

John, you’re my hero. Not one Countach but two!

As they say in the US. . . . . Sweet ride!

Enjoy in rude health.
Rob
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#135 Ellagirl, Dec 31, 2017

johnhoughtaling said: ↑

It’s nonsense to try to argue or even suggest that a FIQV and an DD will ever be or should be the same price in the collector market. No one with a Miura or S, suggests that it will or should catch up to an SV or that a carbed boxer and a FI boxer are or should be the same value. It’s just ridiculous. And if that’s the discussion of this thread I’m sorry I started it. Bc its nonsense.

The reason I started the thread was because after 20 years of owning a DD, I bought a FIQV. I still have my DD but I wanted a FI car.. Why because it’s nearly the same car as my DD for 1/2 to 1/3 the value of my DD. And That’s AWESOME, bc you can buy a car that is identical in all but a few things for 1/2 the price?? That’s a cause for celebration!! Not some idiotic biased notion on a fabricated wish by a FI owner that it should be as good as a DD. Almost as good, yes of course. As good or as valuable, never. But that’s what makes the FI car so fantastic a value.

I sold my SV, arguable one of the most famous, if not the most famous SV in the world 4870 (thanks Joe!) because I could by a lime green Muira S for less than 1/2 the cost. I actually preferred the eyelashes of the S and I wanted green, and the fact it left me with a big pile of cash was a huge bonus. But I never argued that it should be as valuable as an SV, hell no, I didn’t want it to be!!! Why? Bc the thing wouldn’t be as “cheap” compared to an SV.

So those of you with FI cars like me. Embrace the fact it’s less expensive. You can argue “value” you get for your money. But don’t make silly arguments that it should be the same (it will not) in global collectibility. DD has been and will remain among the most, valuable Countach variants. Always has been always will be.

The FI model, IMHO is arguable the best value out there. Has always been and hopefully will stay that way. Someday a FI Q.V. will be a million dollar car, and a DD will be a 2M car. Relax about the DD and enjoy the best value out there. Now Off soap box. And onto pictures

Our FI car arrived. Now just removing the aweful after-assembly-line modifications the poor lineman at the factory were forced to make to the car to get it into the US, (It’s like they were forced to take the car. It amazes me people left these things on the cars. Anyone ever seen an Mclaren F1 driving around with the US with the Amerispec appendages? Didn’t think so.
Part of the reason FI cars are so low is most have these stupid compliance modifications. My bet is all FIQVs will be brought back to proper state, and this will rise values.

Here is our View attachment 2482201 one owner Countach in amazing original condition

Will post more photos as work progresses
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Great post,lots of common sense,(very well written) kinda makes me wonder,lol,for another day. and yes,i absolutely love my Countach.Your car looks amazing, congrats, no argument reg current values.10 years from now,not shure if the carb thing will override the nmbr game, will be exiting. Thanks for posting such a car focused,knowledged,refreshing post, way to go.
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#136 ijvpet, Dec 31, 2017

Brilliant post.

I love the fact there is one place where we can indulge on multiple threads of this car we love.
FI, DD, LP400, Anniversario, S, 5000s, etc...
can’t get enough. Love it. Blessed to live it.

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#137 Ellagirl, Dec 31, 2017

And yes,Happy new year to all of you
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#138 PineChris, Jan 5, 2018

How difficult is it to turn the cis boxes sideways like this?
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#139 S_AGATA, Jan 5, 2018

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How difficult is it to turn the cis boxes sideways like this?
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Sorry for the late response. You just switch the air flow meters from side to side. Wasn’t too difficult.

The anniversary’s system from the factory is a nice evolution.
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#140 87-Countach, Jan 6, 2018

PineChris said: ↑

How difficult is it to turn the cis boxes sideways like this?
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The side to side swap is pretty straight forward. The intake tubes were fabricated.
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The side to side swap is pretty straight forward. The intake tubes were fabricated.
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Very nice. The whole plenum/runner design on the QV looks great.
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#142 PineChris, Jan 7, 2018

Nice! Did you guys notice a difference with them swapped?
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#143 S_AGATA, Jan 7, 2018

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Nice! Did you guys notice a difference with them swapped?
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Improved throttle response. Definitely noticeable after driving two cars back to back.

The second set-up with those custom intake tubes probably gains a little bit of power too.
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#144 PineChris, Jan 8, 2018

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Improved throttle response. Definitely noticeable after driving two cars back to back.

The second set-up with those custom intake tubes probably gains a little bit of power too.
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I like it. Going to do it to mine.
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I like it. Going to do it to mine.
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Hopefully you like it. Luckily it's easily reversible.
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#147 PineChris, Jan 22, 2018

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Great combo!

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#148 Ellagirl, Jan 23, 2018

87-Countach said: ↑

The side to side swap is pretty straight forward. The intake tubes were fabricated.
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It looks amazing,industrial if you like.
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#149 EMILIO, Feb 1, 2018

i am currently looking for pics and/or drawing of the stock FI QV exahust sistem
i think is very similar to the FI anniversary sistem
and it came with 2 cats, but wanted to see at the sistem to be sure
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#150 S_AGATA, Feb 1, 2018

EMILIO said: ↑

i am currently looking for pics and/or drawing of the stock FI QV exahust sistem
i think is very similar to the FI anniversary sistem
and it came with 2 cats, but wanted to see at the sistem to be sure
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I believe they’re the same. I’m out with the Flu right now, but when I’m better I’ll go get a picture.

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