488 GTO ?

Ferrari have gone to great lengths trying to eliminate the turbo feeling. I don't think there is a way back and all for the better!

 

marchionne is not liked because he shows no passion for the brand, he is stock market driven. and what is ferrari all about if not passion?

 

I also expect the Variable Boost/Torque management to be featured on the GTO, even with (possibly) increased boost values (maybe 1.4 bar in 1,2,3,4th gear and 1.5 in 5,6,7th).

 

However one defines passion. Every time I’ve heard him speak of Ferrari he comes across as very passionate about the brand as well as F1. He’s also the top person in the company. So, yes, he needs to be focused on the business. By most any measure (product line, product development, segment dominance, brand development, improved customer service, commitment to heritage, profitability, etc.) he’s doing a very good job. I have some issues with the company but, as a whole, I don’t get why some are constantly whining about him. Because he wears sweaters?

 

Any particular design elements/aero features people are hoping to see in the design? I’d like an aggressive hood feature similar to the Enzo and F50.

 

I currently own a 488 GTB which i use almost daily and i'm very happy with the car. It's fast, comfortable, classy, i can drive it whatever my mood is.., etc...
Do you think i would be able to do the same with the ¨GTO¨ ?

 

What I hope: Active spoiler/aerobrake similar to LaF, dry weight no superior to 458 speciale. 1290kg. As far as torque is concerned, I want a new Getrag transmission to be developed to overcome the 750-760 Nm limit, but likely will come with new successor 498/499

 

It might be a controversial wish but I hope not - I'd like Ferrari to put more differentiation between its cars, so that the GTB remain the best all-rounder and the VS be really focussed for occasional use.

 

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This exactly is one of the biggest issues I see within the current portfolio. Every model covers a too broad spectrum. For an occasional supercar experience a less “perfect” car which isn’t as capable for daily usage would certainly satisfy many here.

 

I wouldn't mind the return of the Speciale's side fins.

 

You clearly didn't go to the 70th anniversary weekend in Maranello in September. His speech wouldn't have woken anyone up even at an accountant's Christmas party.

Full credit to the man for making shareholders happy.

As for the future of F-cars.....his 5-year plan isn't going to be so good for exclusivity, passion etc. in my view.

 

Agreed. And, side air intakes. The side intakes on my 488 GTB was the main design element that made me really live it. I always felt that the lack of side air intakes on the 458 always held me back from really embracing it.

 

Given that even SM wouldn't bastardise the GTO moniker on what is in effect a production car, I assume CS, Speciale etc also won't be reused, so what might this car be called or could Speciale be reused now and in the future as a simple generic descriptive for the the slightly more limited, albeit not a proper LE, hardcore V8 special cars?

 

Whereas a 45 minute ad lib from LDM had you begging to order more cars-utterly captivating as you were drawn into 'the Family'.

 

I hope this comment doesn't come back to haunt you !

 

The TDF doesn't feel heavy at all. Its an aggressive car and for that Ferrari should be lauded, its easy to get the impression the TDF will bite should you not show it due respect. Again Ferrari should be lauded. It appears competition has focussed on extremely easy accessible performance, which is fine but perhaps the problem here is you need to drive very fast to truly feel the car working. Something like a TDF feels special at low speed, likewise the 458 Speciale, a car I truly adore in every respect.

 

LDM certainly is a way more charismatic man and therefore a better person to represent the brand compared to Marchionne. He really is the guy who is responsible for the great shape in which Ferrari is today. On the other hand he is also the guy who wanted the cars to become more usable over time. Starting from a 348, that ambition might be okay. But now we are at a point, where you can daily drive your mid-engined Ferrari sports car like a modern Fiat 500. No wait, the 500 actually is way less comfortable.

What we can see at the moment is still very much LDM’s legacy. I’m not pro or against Marchionne. But we should wait and see what he really brings to the brand. Of course an SUV (if really happening in a predictable way like the Urus) would also bring my opinion about in a rather negative direction. But maybe he copies a different page from the Porsche playbook and offers more variations of one model. So we would get more differentiation and this is what LDM always wanted: Different Ferrari for different Ferraristi.

 

Left to his own devices, SM would have named it 488 NextDividend.

 

Exactly this, how many would contemplate using a 360 CS as a daily driver? Few would be my guess. Make the 488 VS a real "event".

I don't see a return to the GTO name for this car, seems unlikely to me, perhaps something evocative and somewhat controversial like Imola?

 

i expect to do just that with the GTO. the only issue i count on are the cup tires, which behave badly in rain and cold weather. i have the same problem on the GT3RS and was coping quite well so far - maybe except a serious downpour on the highway which slowed me down to 50km/h and still felt dangerous. it will be fun when i put winter tires on the GTO!!!::)) i did the same with the 458....

 

all agreed, but LdM is a high class act::))

 

No question. Never said he wasn't. But, he's gone now. Just because Marchionne may not have the same level of charisma or I don't like his personal style, makes no difference to me. I want the person at the top to focus on running a great operation - product, development, category dominance, customer service, racing, heritage, financial health and efficiency. This is 2018, not 1985. Ferrari has always evolved and they continue to do so as a modern concern. I also think they have held-on to many of the things that have historically made them great. Do I love everything going on at Ferrari? No. But, for the most part, Marchionne is doing an excellent job.

 

As I noted in the Portofino thread, Ferrari seem to be trying really hard to hide clues on the form of their upcoming cars. There were zero Portofino prototypes (other than Cali mules) for details to be gleaned from and the same seems to be the case for the 'GTO'--expect for the spy pics of the exposed nose of the red car. This is probably done to avoid people like me "predicting" the final shape and posting on FerrariChat, or similar ;-)

Since there are no pics of the "GTO" except for the front--and this could even be misleading, as we have seen with some past models changes can be made at the last minute--I have resorted to wild-a__-guessing, or better yet, imagining an extreme makeover of the 488.

The design is based on the premise that, unlike 458 S and previous specials, more that just the bolt-on parts can be changed. This was done with the F12 tdf where practically only the doors remained unchanged. Also, I tried to imagine "lightening up" the rear quarter--I think the only fault with the current car and 458-- and introduce an open trough to feed the base area at the rear of the car, Ford GT-style.

From what has been shown, we can expect a larger (or dedicated) intercooler opening in the rear quarters and the return of 458 style quarter window air inlet for feeding the engine intake.

Apologies for the rough sketch as not too much time available to clean up and colorize. So enjoy:
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Thanks VERY much - Man you are insanely good!!

If it looks anything like your sketch it will be a winner !!