488 GTO ?

It was said in a light hearted way. Everything on the past 53 pages is pretty much opinions, but some are just more informed than others.

 

Sorry for the misunderstood, I referred to the next 488 generation not the “GTO”

 

Now, that is indisputably a fact!

Not long to go now...

 

Can't wait to laugh in your face. I can already see your lower lip vibrating in an attempt to stall time so your brain can think of an excuse.

 

The obsessive German mags who measure this stuff did not find that at all. In fact, they found that the 488 was further above its claim than the Mac. I had a 620hp 12C and have a 660hp 488 - they feel about that difference. So, I personally do not believe what some Mac owners seem to want to believe (that Ferrari customers get a product with lower power than quoted, and Mac customers get one with more).

As for the 488GTO, I also don’t believe it will give more hp than a 720.

 

Ferrari official dealer in Dubai confirmed to me that they started getting deposits for the 488 GTO (or whatever the name will be), he is saying that the launch will be in 2018, production will start 2019... but I felt clearly that he was pushing me to cancel my allocation for the 812s and encouraging me to book a 488 GTO and even an Aperta version !!! He confirmed it will not be limited like the 458 Aperta !!! Are they expecting less orders on the 488 GTO ??


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Yes looks like there will be a

488 VS (March 18)
488 VS Aperta (Sep 18)
488 LE ( end of model run 2019/20??) And IF the GTO name is to be brought back it will possibly be for a car like this....NOT the VS's)

 

Interesting .... thank you
But you think the dealer is keen on pushing the 488VS more than the 812 ??


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Possibly......the 488 VS today is probably a harder sale than the 812 for various reasons (last NA V12 and all that).....so as 812 production is more or less pre sold he probably has a list of people that would want one as opposed to the 488VS which he still needs to get orders in for.

 

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interesting...my dealer prefers me to get a VS than a GTB. more money i suppose...

 

Any rumour and/or guess regarding the use of electrically assisted turbochargers?

 

what I would love to see is a comparison between the Ferrari 488 3.9 Twin Turbo V8 and the Mercedes AMG GT-R 4.0l Twin Turbo V8. I just can't see the "Hot Inside V" being that big(or any) of an advantage. Now you have two turbos side by side creating massive heat in a confined space that still has to travel out thru air to water intercoolers and then down their the intake manifold(s) as they have reverse flow heads

 

Nothing new, but I'll share this anyway
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2018/01/hardcore-ferrari-488-model-debut-2018.html
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Funnily enough this could be the first official confirmation that the car is coming and within this model year which is in its own way a little surprising since there cannot be enough time to get any MY 18 car delivered to customers (it also carries the implication that the US Portofino will begin MY 19)

 

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me to have a VS and LE?

 

For the 430 and 458 the LE were the spider versions of the VS (16M and Speciale Aperta), having the 488 VS spider as non limited (according to rumors) opens the door for an additional LE.

 

I agree if you look to the past, but it could do if you look to the future.

I think it might be fair to say that 488's are selling, but not with any great velocity and I am not sure how they could last this production cycle in any serious volume. Adding the option of a 'GTO' stripped out version in both coupe and Aperta is a good way to keep production humming and in reality only the 458 SA was LE, the Speciale really being a production car. It's our fault for referring to the upcoming model as a VS, it wasn't with the Speciale although it was embraced as such due to demand exceeding supply.

So all they would be doing is making the 'GTO' Aperta as a full production car, leaving the way forward for an LE at the end. Given what McLaren are doing that is smart as it gives them room to take on the 720LT in due course. Makes sense to me, especially as we know the plan is for more LE cars. Makes even more sense that we won't see GTO on any car for a while, but as a proper 488LE, then it certainly would.

 

Anyone know when the 488 cycle ends for 100%? I hear the standard 488 is in its last year of production so maybe another possibility, are they doing an F12/812 style evolution?

 

Wouldn't have thought so as that evolution was pretty much done as the 458/488. It would make sense that they end the GTB in 2018, carry the VS's for another 18-24m with a final LE slated for 2020 thus giving the whole 488 life cycle 5+ years.

 

No idea about when the cycle ends, but at least in the UK the dealers are pushing very hard to move 488s, I have taken two dealer calls asking whether I would be interested in a May/June delivery, and it's the first week of January. Would make sense that they have an evolution of the 488 to keep going until hybrid successor is ready. With Macca turning out cars by the month, they have a real fight on their hands.

If 488 cycle ends this year, it would be one of the shortest in the production V8 history.

 

Also it would be strange to have only the VS available for some time - officially the VS has a different brief than the regular model, so they should be both available. Even though we know - which I personnally regret - that the VS has not been different enough in the last generations, so that the last months of production have been almost exclusively VS.

 

So, given I am reliably informed that 2018 is last year of standard 488 production which makes sense as sales are struggling in relative terms, what are we going to see at Geneva? Does it really make sense that is the the'GTO' we have imagined or would it make more sense that it's a major update to keep sales going until the new model is ready? To only be producing a GTO/Speciale next year simply doesn't compute.

 

I think Ferrari would be taking a big risk doing that. Look at how McLaren has alienated buyers with continuous new cars, just when you buy what is the latest car, 2 months later there is something newer, my understanding is this hasn't gone down very well with customers.

The way I see things panning out is run 2 years of 488 GTB/Spider and 488 Coupe VS and a LE spider at the end, much the same as it has happened in the past, I don't think Ferrari would want to play around with what has been a successful formula. With the Portafino there is possibly of a slightly more focussed/handling pack version of that in 2020.

It really depends whether Ferrari want to leave demand on the table as was the case with the Speciale, where as you rightly say demand far exceeded supply. I wonder how many customers of 488 VS would possibility not enjoy the fact a LE car is launched right at the end of the 488 production run, the Speciale and the Aperta were the ultimate of that series of car.

 

So how come 2018 is the last year of 488 GTB production? What do they offer in 2019, surely it cannot be just the VS?