I drive by there often, I saw an i8 parked out front last time I went by.
Well I have a z8 and a 550 and I love both of them. The 550 is one of Ferrari’s few daily drivers (I love the straddle, but not for more than about 30 minutes on the road). The 550 has a roomy interior, it has a trunk, it has a wonderful gated linkage, it has one of the sweetest engines, it has some very nice stitching Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
What I don’t like about the 550 is the cost of maintaining it. Full service with belts is about 5-6k. Small parts cost a fortune. It goes though tires fast, even with moderate driving. Not that mileage really matters, but it drinks like a ford gt. I love the way it looks, not overly concerned about what the wind tunnel said (which the 599 listened to). And I love the grigio Ingrid color. Yes. I love the story behind the name and the “wow, I can’t believe how great that looks” when people see it in person. A friend asked me which of my cars I liked the most, and I said I love them all. Then he said if the garages were on fire, and you could only save one, which would it be? I have to admit it would be a coin flip between the 550 and the ford gt. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
The z8 looks like a car designed by Italians but engineered by Germans. It has a nice deep growl and some impressive torque making it a German “muscle car”. I used to drive it mostly with the roof down, but in the last two years I have left the hardtop on. It looks iconic. I had mine upgraded with the sport front suspension stiffening, so I don’t worry about “frame damage” (which was not a recall item). The maintenance is modest in cost and the car is totally reliable. I just love looking at it and driving it. I don’t like the run flat tires. I never tracked mine but a drove a friend’s many times on Buttonwillow and Thunderhill, and while it matched the lap times of a Gaillardo on Top Gear, it is not a track Car. It is a GT cruiser. I think these are both great cars, and which generates the highest ownership IRR is meaningless to me; I see my cars as pleasure, not investments. On the investment side, anyone who knows which stock is overvalued or undervalued (not in hindsight) is likely a billionaire. When people started talking like this to me, I would simply ask them if they own a jet; if they didn’t, I switched subjects. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Sorry about length of post and spell check mid-spellings. Ps a decent race car will outlap any road legal Car (including the new 911gt2rs by about 10-20 seconds on most 3 mile tracks —because any car that weighs over 2000 pounds simply cannot turn or slow effectively. So if you want to go fast, learn to drive a race car, and stop wasting time thinking which road legal car can do an un-natural or usually reckless act best. I apologize for my presumptive lecture. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Z8 is a super cool design with a great engine and rare in terms of you do not see them often ... come to think of it... it's been years since I seen one last. I defiantly see the value there. Only other GT car I would pic would be the AMG SLS coupe. But if I wanted a convertible it would be the Z8.
ironically, it was designed by a dane - henrik fisker. i too love the z8 and hope to get one someday.
People tire of arguing the point with you because you're relying mostly on a) production numbers and b) the inherent bias present in your argument, as you own a 575. Your interpretation of production numbers = value is sophomoric, as it ignores actual historical pricing data. Historically, the average 575 has not traded at $400K. The fact that you love it, that you believe it's visual appearance is miles above the Z8, is irrelevant. Did you pay $400K for your car?. As such, why suddenly should everyone else in the world value it at that level? Simply because you love the car that much? That's not how this works. Your argument ignores percentage of single car vs cars produced. Compare the number of Z8s produced, to the total number cars ever produced by BMW. Do the same for the 575 and Ferrari. Basic math shows you that the Z8 is far more rare as a BMW. As someone earlier stated, the Z8 is considered (by many) to be the single best car BMW has ever produced. Fewer would say that about the 575. Real metrics are what people have actually paid (or are willing to pay) for something, using multiple sample points to determine a trend over time. That is the data that defines the value. The rest is just your own personal opinion. Note the values of air-cooled Porsches over the past few years. Are you telling me that those are increasing because the 911 was produced in smaller numbers? Because those 911s are visually drastically different than - well, every other 911? If we're wrong about the value of your 575, please feel free to prove it. List it for sale @ $450K, and then let us know how many buyers started a bidding war over your car.
Thorn, The OP is not likely to agree with your post, as he is simply trolling for people to disagree with him. Your logic and reasoning will not sway him. But nice try.
So markets can't be off at any point in time bc people are paying X for a car that makes it the right price? People paid $1m for the testarossa in the 80s and that was a horrible move. The reality is we wont know the real market for another 20+ years till these cars age but yes a 550 maranello, a ferrari challenge stradale, a murcielago, as well as a 575 will all imo be worth way more in 20 years that the Z8. 1) They're all faster 2) Looks are subjective but in my opinion all 4 of those cars look way better than the Z8 3) all were made in far smaller quantities. Only time will tell who is right but the production numbers BMW had for the Z8, they're way up there and long term there aren't many cars trading at $200k+ that were produced in such enormous quantities. Can you guys please name me other cars they made nearly 6000 of trading in the $180-250k range today? Testarossas are up there with 7k+ made but even then there's a perfect quality one here in miami at curated for $165k or so with 3k miles. So again Id love to see a compiled list of cars over the last 50 years made in quantities nearing 6000 and values up over $200k still. Im sure that list is not too long.
I'm going to respectfully disagree. Of the cars you listed I only see the Stradale possibly selling for more, on average, than the Z8, and I doubt it will be "way more" given how close they trade now. The Stradale is a blast to drive but it has a really harsh ride that few people can tolerate for any length of time. Plus, they're all F1 and that generation F1 technology is not aging well for people who want to drive the cars. Plus, the CS is still a 360, with over 15,000 having been built. Other than the limited edition Barchettas, Superamericas, HGTC's and the rare gated 575s, I can't see the Maranello's trading at a higher price than the Z8 and certainly not on average. Similar story on the Murci's. Both cars trade at sizeable discounts to the Z8 today and given that production volumes are known for all of them, I can't why the cars would flop places in the future.
