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Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by wab0625, Apr 25, 2017.

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  1. markonex

    markonex Formula Junior

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    Simply, they put it in other location, maybe on lexan engine cover near the roof....plenty of solutions they can use...
     
  2. ingegnere

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    Thanks, likewise. Aero, CFD, upwash, downwash, inconel, titanium, etc. is what I do every day. Just not in the automotive field so this is a good escape for me.
     
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    Not necessarily. According to engineer/professor Massai, the 488's blown spoiler increases downforce without drag:

    ^ 3:30 (Sorry for those who don't speak italian)

    Also worth your time:

    5:11, complete explanation of every aero solution of the 488 GTB.
     
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    Image Unavailable, Please Login I’ve done a really crude mark up. It’s the best I can do with my finger on an iPad. You can kind of see the lines and how the spoiler comes out more and just make out the profile and vents.
     
  5. markonex

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    Aerospace? :))
     
  6. ingegnere

    ingegnere F1 Veteran Silver Subscribed

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    Very good. Only thing that I "see" differently is that they still have vents inboard of the taillights. Probably will be grilles, narrower than current ones and ending at what looks like a solid wide post under the center of the rear spoiler.
     
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  7. ingegnere

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    Would love to show what we do but I can't. :)
     
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    Thank you. Totally agreed. I just didn't draw those because my drawing is so sloppy that would have cluttered it up and made it confusing. The inboard vents near the lights appear that they'll be lower profile and deeper. Will be interesting to see if they do a grille or just different shaped version of what they have now.
     
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    Canadian Mounties?
    :)
     
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    Speaking of law enforcement, ha-ha, so I previously wrote that I thought the "moustache" at the front--and my only beef with the car--reminded me of Rollie Fingers of baseball fame.

    On second thought, a better resemblance is Detective Hercules Poirot, LOL:

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    We never realized how aerodynamic his face was.
     
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    I had MAssai as a professor in aerodynamics supplements, blown spoiler panalizes less drag with respect to wings or classical spoiler, but a certain increase in negative or positive lift leads always to increase in drag ;)
     
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    Wow, so top secrets things....well, I will try to survive with these doubts :)
     
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    So ultimately a blown spoiler and similar base bleed devices are a poor relative to a properly executed rear end design: very low deck height and proper wing in clean airflow - as seen on LMP cars, etc.

    The Valkerie does this and also the Ford GT to some extent with the "tunnels" at the back, which I kind of tried to incorporate on my last sketch.

    Speaking of the Ford GT, I find this car has quite a bit of resemblance to the GT at the front, from the protruding nose and hood vents to the shape of the lower spoiler.
     
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    Not secret, but IP concerns and such.
     
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    Good points. In regards to the GT. It's design is quite similar to an unused Pininfarina concept. Coincidence .....?
     
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    No sign of DRS then..or push to overtake button?o_O
     
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    LOL, that was complete BS. Did you really believe that :)

    Sorry, I should have said the fog light that is on the diffusor. But again that is also visible on that spy photo (back of the car in camo wraps) He maybe be wrong or the diffusor of that car is not the real deal. Anyway, I'll give you more details in about a month when I see it with my own eyes :)
     
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    I'm curious where this slide came from. All other slides from Ferrari referred to it as "Sport Special Series" and used a different template. This one calls it "VS" (the unofficial name adopted on this forum). Is this a slide your dealer created? If this is not an official factory slide then it may just be subjective speculation again. I don't think anyone really knows Ferrari's selection criteria (except Ferrari of course).
     
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    Curious - what's your initial assessment of the new Senna from an aerodynamics point of view? The Top Gear video spoke about a very low rear deck height and clean airflow to the wing (angles of rear vents and exhaust, swan neck mount etc).
     
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    Like Lamborghini's ALA?
     
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    Nice find - where's that from? When?

    Very GT indeed and very interesting even though I don't really like the wing butresses.
     
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    Actually the concept is quite different, both have active flap inside nozzle that channels air, but Lambo uses it to go through wing and stall it selectively, Ferrari use it to allow, block or partialize the air that flows into the blowing; the more it is channeled there, the less downforce and drag is generated.
     

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