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Discussion in 'Australia' started by ashsimmonds, Oct 21, 2006.

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  1. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Dec 10, 2005
    100,207
    Mount Isa, Australia
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    Lol, thanks Greg. :D
     
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  2. Maranello550

    Maranello550 F1 World Champ
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  3. Steve355F1

    Steve355F1 F1 World Champ
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    It’s going down a treat, thanks Greg.
     
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  4. Maranello550

    Maranello550 F1 World Champ
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    Yeah no worries John.......:)
     
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  5. JonM

    JonM Karting

    Oct 31, 2017
    132
    South Gippsland, Victoria, Australia
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    Jon Maratos
    Could you point me at the VIN decoder please?


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  6. Steve355F1

    Steve355F1 F1 World Champ
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    Here you go, Bob

    The 1st digit Z = Italy
    The 2nd digit identifies the badge. F = Ferrari
    The 3rd digit identifies the manufacturer. F = Ferrari
    The 4th digit identifies the engine.
    A = 308 2-valve injected USA
    A = Testarossa European
    A = 612 Scaglietti
    B = 308 2-valve carb wet sump Euro
    B = 408 prototype
    B = 575M Maranello
    C = 308 2-valve carb dry sump Euro
    C = 328 Swiss w/catalyst 1987-1989
    C = Enzo Ferrari
    D = 512 BB
    D = Challenge Stradale
    E = 400i
    E = PPG prototype
    F = 308 2-valve carb Australia
    F = 348 USA 1989-1990
    G = 308 2-valve carb USA & Japan
    G = F40 Euro
    H = 308 2-valve injected Euro
    I = Not used
    J = 512 BBi
    K = 208 Turbocharged
    K = 348 Euro early
    L = 308 QV Euro
    L = 512 TR
    M = 308 QV USA 1983
    M = F40 USA
    N = 308 2-valve injected Australia
    O = Not used
    P = 288 GTO
    P = 355 w/Motronic 2.7
    Q = Not used
    R = 308 QV Australian
    R = 348 USA
    S = Testarossa USA & Japan
    S = 456 w/Motronic 2.7
    T = Testarossa
    T = F50
    U = 308 QV USA 1984-1985
    U = 348 Euro late
    V = F512 M
    W = 328 Euro
    W = 456M w/Motronic 5.2
    X = 328 USA & Japan
    X = 355 w/Motronic 5.2
    Y = 412
    Y = 360
    Z = 550
    The 5th digit is used for seatbelts/airbag system
    A = 3-point inertia belts with auto retractors for front
    B = 3-point inertia belts with auto retractors for front plus 3-point non-inertia belts for rear
    C = 3-point inertia belts with auto retractors for front plus 2-point inertia belts for rear
    D = 3-point inertia belts with auto retractors for front plus 3-point inertia belts for rear
    E = Seen on some 2+2 for Australian market; no airbag?
    G = Passive restraint system (Active belts with manual lap belts)
    J = Seen on Euro F40
    K = Seen on >1990 Mondial T Cabriolet US versions
    L = Air bags, manual seat belts plus UCRA* in the rear seats
    M = Passive restraint system (Canada)
    N = Automatic passive restraint system
    P = Air bags with 3-point inertia belts for front and inertia belts for rear
    R = Air bags, manual seat belts and force limiter
    S = Air bags, manual seat belts plus UCRA*
    T = Air bags, manual seat belts with pretensioners
    U = Air bags, manual seat belts with pretensioners plus UCRA*
    V = Air bags, manual seat belts with pretensioners and force limiter plus UCRA*
    W = Air bags, manual seat belts and force limiter plus UCRA*
    X = Seen on racecars and prototypes
    Y = Seen on Euro 612 Scaglietti
    Z = Seen on Euro Enzo Ferrari
    * UCRA = Universal Child Restraint Anchorage system
    The 6th & 7th digit identify to specific model
    01 = 308 GT4 (ZDF)
    01 = 308 GTBi (ZFF)
    02 = 308 GTSi
    03 = 308 GTB
    04 = 308 GTS
    05 = 512 BB
    06 = 400i Automatic
    07 = 400i 5-speed
    08 = Mondial 8
    09 = 512 BBi
    10 = 208 GTB Turbo
    11 = 208 GTS Turbo
    12 = 308 GTB QV
    13 = 308 GTS QV
    14 = Mondial QV Coupe
    15 = Mondial QV Cabriolet
    16 = 288 GTO
    17 = Testarossa
    18 = 308 Convertible
    19 = 328 GTB
    20 = 328 GTS
    21 = 3.2 Mondial Coupe
    22 = Unknown
    23 = Unknown
    24 = 412 Automatic
    25 = 412 5-speed
    26 = 3.2 Mondial Cabriolet
    27 = GTB Turbo
    28 = GTS Turbo
    29 = 328 Convertible
    30 = Testarossa Spider
    31 = Unknown
    32 = Mondial T Coupe
    33 = Mondial T Cabriolet
    34 = F40
    35 = 348 TB, GTB & GTC
    36 = 348 TS & GTS
    37 = 408
    38 = Unknown
    39 = Unknown
    40 = 512 TR & F512 M
    41 = F355 & 355 F1 Berlinetta
    42 = F355 & 355 F1 GTS
    43 = 348 Spider
    44 = 456 GT & 456M GT
    45 =
    46 = F50
    47 =
    48 = F355 & 355 F1 Spider
    49 = 550 Maranello
    50 = 456 GTA & 45M GTA
    51 = 360 Modena & Modena F1
    52 = 550 Barchetta Pininfarina
    53 = 360 Spider & Spider F1
    54 = 612 Scaglietti
    55 = 575M Maranello & Maranello F1
    56 = Enzo Ferraro
    57 = Challenge Stradale
    The 8th digit is for the market the car was manufactured for:
    A = LHD North America
    B = LHD European
    C = RHD UK
    D = RHD Australia
    J = LHD Japan (also JAP or JPN)
    S = LHD Sweden or Switzerland
    T = LHD Middle East
    X = Other (oneoffs, prototypes & race cars)
    The 9th digit is a USA CHECK DIGIT for Ferraris for markets other than North America this digit is always a 0 except for Japan where it may be an A or a P.
    The 10th digit designates the model year and is used only on Ferraris manufactured for the North American and some Middle East markets. On cars for other markets this will always be a "0" (zero) except for Japan where it sometimes will be a "P" or "N".
    A = 1980
    B = 1981
    C = 1982
    D = 1983
    E = 1984
    F = 1985
    G = 1986
    H = 1987
    I = Not used
    J = 1988
    K = 1989
    L = 1990
    M = 1991
    N = 1992
    O = Not used
    P = 1993
    Q = Not used
    R = 1994
    S = 1995
    T = 1996
    U = Not used
    V = 1997
    W = 1998
    X = 1999
    Y = 2000
    Z = Not used
    1 = 2001
    2 = 2002
    3 = 2003
    4 = 2004
    The 11th digit designates the assembly plant which for Ferrari is always Maranello = 0
    The 12th -17th digits are the chassis/serial number
     
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  7. Maranello550

    Maranello550 F1 World Champ
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    PP you can join the club like the rest of us.......It's on special....:)
     
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  8. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Nov 1, 2003
    59,757
    Australia
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    John
    Good one Scott :D
     
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  9. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Jun 23, 2003
    100,524
    Melbourne, Australia
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    Peter
    I don't get it
     
  10. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Dec 10, 2005
    100,207
    Mount Isa, Australia
    Full Name:
    Pap
    No worries Peter. :p
     
  11. kena

    kena Formula 3

    May 20, 2007
    1,601
    Salt Ash
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    Ken Abrahams
    What about the aussie ones aren't hey made in Dubbo?
     
  12. Maranello550

    Maranello550 F1 World Champ
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    Yep they are kosher in NSW but if you live in QLD it becomes an import.......So back to the same problem.....:)
     
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  13. kerrari

    kerrari Two Time F1 World Champ

    Oct 22, 2004
    24,004
    Coolum Beach AUSTRALIA
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    Karen H.
    This whole conversation just makes me laugh in relation to certain cars -308GTS for instance...can anyone lay their hands on the numbers that are available in Australia / changed hands in Australia in the last decade? The answer is tiny numbers, I'm sure. I grabbed the only GTS I could find in Australia 16 years ago and watched very closely the market for some time after - from memory, there wasn't another one for sale for at least 3 years...
    Anyone even got the numbers for how may were originally brought into Australia in period? I can't imagine it would have been more than 30 (1% of the production approx).
    Good luck with waiting for an Aus-delivered one coming up for sale.
     
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  14. kerrari

    kerrari Two Time F1 World Champ

    Oct 22, 2004
    24,004
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    Karen H.
    Not made in Dubbo - but mine came from Dubbo! True story...
    (it was part of the reason I took a mad punt on the car; in those days, Dubbo was home of the Fiat of Italy Cup national rally, so I felt it was a sign! :))
     
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  15. Reddesire348

    Reddesire348 Formula Junior

    Oct 10, 2017
    486
    Melbourne, Australia
    Full Name:
    Andrew Gaal
    I have data that is slightly different to the above in some area's. For example the 4th digits F and G.

    1st - 3rd DIGIT Nation of Origin, Make
    ZFF Italy, Ferrari, Ferrari
    ZDF Italy, Dino, Ferrari (only used on a few Dino 308 GT4s)

    4th DIGIT Engine
    first cycle (engine introduction before approx. 1986)
    A 308 GTB/Si, Mondial 8 US version
    B ** 308 GTB/S, Dino 308 GT4 Euro version, wet sump
    C ** 308 GTB/S Euro version, dry sump
    D ** 512 BB
    E 400i
    F unknown / not used
    G *** 308 GTB/S US version
    H 308 GTBi/Si, Mondial 8 Euro version
    J 512 BBi
    K 208 GTB/S Turbo Italian version
    L 308 GTB/S QV, Mondial QV (Cabr) Euro version
    M 308 GTB/S QV, Mondial QV (Cabr) US version, 1983, 230 HP
    N 308 GTBi/Si, Mondial 8 Australian version
    P 288 GTO
    R 308 GTB/S QV, Mondial QV (Cabr) Australian version
    S Testarossa US version
    T Testarossa Euro version, type F113A
    U 308 GTB/S QV, Mondial QV (Cabr) US version, 1984-1985, 235 HP
    V unknown / not used
    W 328 GTB/S, Mondial 3.2 (Cabr) Euro version
    X 328 GTB/S, Mondial 3.2 (Cabr) US version
    Y 412 Euro version
    Z GTB/GTS Turbo Italian version
    second cycle (engine introduction between approx. 1986 and 2001)
    A Testarossa Euro version, type F113B
    B * 408 Prototype
    C 328 GTB/S, Mondial 3.2 (Cabr) Swiss, 1987-1989 with catalyst
    D 412 Swiss/Swedish version
    E * PPG Prototype for 348 engine
    F 348 tb/s, Mondial t (Cabr) US, 1989-1990, Motronic 2.5
    G F40 Euro version
    H unknown / not used
    J unknown / not used
    K 348 tb/s, Mondial t (Cabr) Euro version
    L 512 TR
    M F40 US version
    N unknown / not used
    P F355 series 1994-1995, Motronic 2.7
    R 348 series, Mondial t (Cabr) US, 1991-1995, Motronic 2.7
    S 456 GT(A) 1992-1996, Motronic 2.7
    T F50
    U 348 GTB/S, 348 Spider Euro version
    V F512 M
    W 456 (M) GT(A) 1997-2003, Motronic 5.2
    X F355 series 1996-1999, Motronic 5.2
    Y 360 Modena, 360 Spider
    Z 550 Maranello, 550 Barchetta
    third cycle (engine introduction after approx. 2001)
    A 612 Scaglietti 2004-2008, type 133F
    B 575 M Maranello
    C Enzo Ferrari
    D Challenge Stradale
    E F430
    F 599 GTB Fiorano
    G Superamerica
    H FXX
    J 612 Scaglietti 2007-2010, type 133H
    K 430 Scuderia
    L California DCT (F1) gearbox
    M California Manual gearbox
    N 458 Italia
    P 599 XX
    R 599 GTO
    S FF

    Remark: the "markets" listed above, are only for a rough indication.

    *: Only used on a few prototypes
    **: Only used on a small number of late-production cars
    ***: Although listed in official documents, it was probably never used

    5th DIGIT Restraint system
    first cycle (models introduced before approx. 2004)
    A 3-point inertia belts with auto retractors for front
    B 3-point inertia belts with auto retractors for front
    plus 3-point non-inertia belts for rear
    C 3-point inertia belts with auto retractors for front
    plus 2-point inertia belts for rear
    D 3-point inertia belts with auto retractors for front
    plus 3-point inertia belts for rear
    E [on several 2+2 for the Australian market]
    F unknown / not used
    G Passive restraint system (= active belts with manual lap belts)
    H unknown / not used
    J [on F40, Euro version]
    K [on Mondial t Cabriolet, US version, >1990]
    L Airbags, manual seat belts plus UCRA* in the rear seats
    M Passive restraint system (Canada)
    N Automatic passive restraint system
    P Airbags with 3-point inertia belts for front and inertia belts for rear
    R Airbags, manual seat belts and force limiter
    S Airbags, manual seat belts plus UCRA*
    T Airbags, manual seats belts with pretensioners
    U Airbags, manual seats belts with pretensioners plus UCRA*
    V Airbags, manual seats belts with pretensioners, force limiter and UCRA*
    W Airbags, manual seats belts with pretensioners, force limiter and LATCH*
    X [on racecars and prototypes]
    Y [on early 612 Scaglietti, Euro version]
    Z [on Enzo, Euro version]
    second cycle (models introduced after approx. 2004)
    A Airbags for driver and passenger,
    3-point manual seats belts with pretensioners and load limiter
    for front and rear, plus LATCH* system for rear seats
    B Airbag for driver, advanced airbags for passenger,
    3-point manual seats belts with pretensioners and load limiter
    for front and rear, plus LATCH* system for rear seats
    (MY 2009/10: advanced airbags for driver and passenger)
    C Airbag for driver, advanced airbags for passenger,
    3-point manual seats belts with pretensioners and load limiter,
    and tether anchorage on passenger seat
    (MY 2009/10: also including side-airbags)
    D [on 599 GTO and some 599 GTB Fiorano]
    E unknown / not used
    F Airbags for driver and passenger,
    3-point manual seats belts with pretensioners and load limiter,
    and tether anchorage on passenger seat
    G unknown / not used
    H Dual stage and lateral airbags,
    3-point safety belts with pretensioners and load limiter
    J Dual stage and lateral airbags,
    3-point safety belts with pretensioners and load limiter
    for front and rear, plus two lower anchorages for each seat
    K [on FF]
    X [on racecars and prototypes]

    * UCRA = Universal Child Restraint Anchorage system
    * LATCH = Lower Anchorage and Tether for Children system (= ISOFIX)

    6th + 7th DIGIT Model
    01 308 GTBi (ZFF, Ferrari), Dino 308 GT4 (ZDF, Dino)
    02 308 GTSi
    03 ** 308 GTB
    04 ** 308 GTS
    05 ** 512 BB
    06 400i Automatic
    07 400i 5-speed
    08 Mondial 8
    09 512 BBi
    10 208 GTB Turbo
    11 208 GTS Turbo
    12 308 GTB QV
    13 308 GTS QV
    14 Mondial QV Coupé
    15 Mondial QV Cabriolet
    16 288 GTO
    17 Testarossa
    18 * 308 Convertible
    19 328 GTB
    20 328 GTS
    21 Mondial 3.2 Coupé
    22 unknown / not used
    23 unknown / not used
    24 412 Automatic
    25 412 5-speed
    26 Mondial 3.2 Cabriolet
    27 GTB Turbo
    28 GTS Turbo
    29 * 328 Convertible
    30 * Testarossa Spider
    31 * 412 Cabriolet
    32 Mondial t Coupé
    33 Mondial t Cabriolet
    34 F40
    35 348 tb, 348 GTB, 348 tb SS
    36 348 ts, 348 GTS, 348 ts SS
    37* 408
    38 unknown / not used
    39 unknown / not used
    40 512 TR, F512 M
    41 F355 Berlinetta, 355 F1 Berlinetta
    42 F355 GTS, 355 F1 GTS
    43 348 Spider
    44 456 GT, 456 M GT
    45 unknown / not used
    46 F50
    47 unknown / not used
    48 F355 Spider, 355 F1 Spider
    49 550 Maranello
    50 456 GTA, 456 M GTA
    51 360 Modena, 360 Modena F1
    52 550 Barchetta Pininfarina
    53 360 Spider, 360 Spider F1
    54 612 Scaglietti
    55 575 M Maranello, 575 M Maranello F1
    56 Enzo Ferrari
    57 Challenge Stradale
    58 F430
    59 F430 Spider
    60 599 GTB Fiorano
    61 Superamerica
    62 FXX
    63 F430 Challenge
    64 430 Scuderia
    65 California
    66 Scuderia Spider 16M
    67 458 Italia
    68 unknown / not used
    69 599 XX
    70 599 GTO
    71 458 Challenge
    72 unknown / not used
    73 FF

    *: Only used on a few prototypes
    **: Only used on a small number of late-production cars

    8th DIGIT Market
    A Left-Hand Drive, North America or Middle East (2000-2007)
    B Left-Hand Drive, Europe
    C Right-Hand Drive, UK
    D Right-Hand Drive, Australia
    E Left-Hand Drive, China
    J / JAP / JPN Left-Hand Drive, Japan
    JAP: approx. 1980 - 1994 (with "AP" as the 9th and 10th digit)
    JPN: approx. 1994 - 2000 (with "PN" as the 9th and 10th digit)
    J: approx. 1997 - present (with "00" as the 9th and 10th digit)
    L Left-Hand Drive, Latin and Central America
    S Left-Hand Drive, Switzerland or Sweden
    T Left-Hand Drive, Middle East (<2000 and >2007)
    X Other (one-offs, prototypes and race versions)

    9th DIGIT Check digit
    A or P Specific Japanese models (for more info, see 8th digit)
    0 - 9 and X USA, Middle East (>2000), Latin America (>2006) and China (>2010)
    (a specific calculation, see below)
    0 Other markets

    The check digit of the VIN appears in the 9th position of US versions (plus some other markets, see above) and provides a way to verify the validity of all of the other characters in positions 1-8 and 10-17. The check digit is calculated by carrying out the following mathematical computation.

    (1) Assign to each number in the VIN its actual mathematical value and assign to each letter the value specified in following Table:
    A = 1 G = 7 N = 5 V = 5
    B = 2 H = 8 P = 7 W = 6
    C = 3 J = 1 R = 9 X = 7
    D = 4 K = 2 S = 2 Y = 8
    E = 5 L = 3 T = 3 Z = 9
    F = 6 M = 4 U = 4

    (2) Multiply the assigned value for each VIN character in the VIN by the Position weight factor specified in the following Table:
    VIN position Weight factor VIN position Weight factor
    1st 8 10th 9
    2nd 7 11th 8
    3rd 6 12th 7
    4th 5 13th 6
    5th 4 14th 5
    6th 3 15th 4
    7th 2 16th 3
    8th 10 17th 2
    9th to be calculated

    (3) Add the resulting products and divide this total by 11.

    (4) The numerical remainder is the check digit. If the remainder is 10 the letter 'X' shall be used to designate the check digit. The correct numeric remainder, zero through nine (0-9) or the letter 'X' shall appear in the VIN position nine.

    10th DIGIT Model Year
    The "Model Year" is only used on North America,
    Middle East and Latin and Central America versions:
    A 1980, 2010
    B 1981, 2011
    C 1982, 2012
    D 1983, ...
    E 1984
    F 1985
    G 1986
    H 1987
    J 1988
    K 1989
    L 1990
    M 1991
    N 1992
    P 1993
    R 1994
    S 1995
    T 1996
    V 1997
    W 1998
    X 1999
    Y 2000
    1 2001
    2 2002
    3 2003
    4 2004
    5 2005
    6 2006
    7 2007
    8 2008
    9 2009

    For other markets:
    P or N Specific Japanese models (for more info, see 8th digit)
    0 All other markets (incl. late Japanese models)

    11th DIGIT Assembly plant
    0 Maranello

    12th - 17th DIGIT Serialnumber
    The VIN was introduced near s/n 30xxx. Until s/n 75000 only odd serialnumbers were used. After 75000 both odd and even numbers were used.

    The VIN was also used on a small number of (late production) Dino 308 GT4s. Those VINs start with ZDFBB01 and end with even numbers near 15xxx.
     
  16. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    That's another issue, of course.
     
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  17. simon klein

    simon klein Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Feb 25, 2009
    29,727
    North Qld
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    Puck me,it's more like Dave,Dee,Dozy,Beaky,Mick and Tich around here lately..
     
  18. FazzerPorscheman

    FazzerPorscheman F1 World Champ

    Jul 28, 2010
    15,286
    Piz Gloria
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    EnzoFerdinand
    You should be in a submarine. ;)
     
  19. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Jun 23, 2003
    100,524
    Melbourne, Australia
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    Did you want some seamen?
     
  20. FazzerPorscheman

    FazzerPorscheman F1 World Champ

    Jul 28, 2010
    15,286
    Piz Gloria
    Full Name:
    EnzoFerdinand
    If you're offering, I'm not interested.

    Or from anyone else for that matter. ;)
     
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  21. jmillard308

    jmillard308 F1 Veteran
    Owner

    May 29, 2003
    6,673
    Perth West Oz
    Full Name:
    John Millard
    More than 100 in the Register book
     
  22. kerrari

    kerrari Two Time F1 World Champ

    Oct 22, 2004
    24,004
    Coolum Beach AUSTRALIA
    Full Name:
    Karen H.
    Really, for Carbed 308GTS? Last time I looked at the register (some time ago- not latest edition) there were only 13 individual cars (the list looks longer because the same cars have circulated through different owners). That's a huge jump, and one would have to conclude the additions in recent years have all bee imports, not Aus delivered.
     
  23. Maranello550

    Maranello550 F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Aug 25, 2011
    12,433
    HongKong
    Full Name:
    Gary
    Mine was delivered New through Ron Hodgeson Motors Parramatta....
     
  24. simon klein

    simon klein Two Time F1 World Champ
    Owner

    Feb 25, 2009
    29,727
    North Qld
    Full Name:
    simon klein
    Current (new) register lists 39,23 known keepers and the rest unknown.
     
  25. kerrari

    kerrari Two Time F1 World Champ

    Oct 22, 2004
    24,004
    Coolum Beach AUSTRALIA
    Full Name:
    Karen H.
    thanks, if you've got time, can you tell from the vin numbers how many are Aus market?
     

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