488 GTO ?

I have been told 730cv. We’ll see !

 

Wait will not be that long.....there are a slew of new VS’s and LE’s which will start to surface relatively soon......

 

750 seems a lot to me. That's +80 over the standard 488 (+60 over the J50).
730 sounds more likely but, again, this is all speculation until February 16th.

All japanese manufacturers used to rate their cars at 280PS in their home land, but they rolled out of the factory with +30-40. The gentlemen agreement, however, ended more than ten years ago.

 

Agreed. We should expect many more in the years ahead and indeed we're forewarned of this.

 

Well thats a good thing IMO. Will take the speculation out of things and one can buy what you really want or are offered.

 

Looking at this picture it drives home how much more detailed/ complex the shape of the upcoming 488 VS will be compared to this car, which especially in white and no stripes, seems so unadorned.

Along with the 812 this seems to be the end of clean, timeless design (been there, done that, I guess) and looks to be the start of chasing Lambo down the rabbit hole of overly complex and fussy design. I guess it's what the customers want, but Ferrari, who have built their reputation as much on design as performance, need to maintain their superiority on design despite the trend. I think this 488 VS will be very nicely executed and hope the replacement car will follow the example of the J50 and make beauty a defining element of its design.

Then again, with competitors doing stuff like this, the bar is set pretty low, LOL. The face only a mother could love:

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General rule in business is not to chase others and become a "me to". It only leads to product and marketing dilution. For sure McLaren and Lambo have given Ferrari a "wake up call" but I hope its used as a message to keep investing and producing what they are super good at.

 

I agree, and ascertain that fussy design ages very quickly, and so leads to more rapid turnover of customers purchasing newer models for the latest carbon winglets. The sweet spot of buying a timeless Ferrari and enjoying it for many years will become a rare thing indeed. Good for the Ferrari accountants, but not necessarily good for clients.

 

What do you know about the weight?
Like is as important as the power.
Will the 488 GTO be able to reach the 1285 kg of the 720S or even the 1200 kg of the Senna?

 

No

 

My Italian dealer who sold me the Speciale and is waiting to sell me this one now, told after the meeting they had in Maranello : " we know only two numbers" ...more than 700 hp and less than 1300 kg dry.About price he expects from 270 to 280.000 euro including 22% Italian VAT.

 

For what its worth my dealer told me the weight was about 2850 pounds and the base price would be in the low 3's. Ill find our more details when i see her in the flesh on Feb. 2oth.

 

Perfect correlation of weight info.

Is this plausible? What's the dry weight of 488?

 

1370 kgs, 3020 lbs (lightweight spec with optional parts).

So -80kgs compared to what has been reported above.

 

Approx. 3400 lbs.

 

Maybe I should elucidate on this.

How could you reasonably expect it to be lighter than a carbon tub competitor?

 

a bad LSD trip?

 

By the way, those are the Speciale numbers you can find on Ferrari's website:

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We can go on and discuss how realistic or not they are until tomorrow morning, but those are still numbers provided by Ferrari and seeing similar ones for the 488VS won't surprise me at all.

 

Well the carbon "tub", which is really just the mono cell plus roof, besides offering good stiffness only represents about 7% of the total dry weight of the car. The rest, including front and rear aluminum frame extensions (not unlike the 488), drive train, body work and glass, comfort and safety equipment, etc. makes up the bulk of the weight.

So if Ferrari claw back weight by reducing equipment, use more composite bodywork--where the Mac is aluminium (if as in their previous cars) and eschewing gull wing doors obviously--and use of composite engine externals and titanium rods i can see them getting pretty close.

 

Italian dry weight is a completely meaningless figure, it does not include any oil nor water for the engine, and sometimes also discards the battery weight.
The "kerb weight" is close to an actual dry weight (i.e. no fuel), so that means about 1400 kg for the Speciale (kerb weight is translated in italian by "in ordine di marcia", i.e. ready to work - which is the state of the car which is relevant).
The 458 kerb weight was 1485 kg, while the 488 kerb weight is 1475 kg (all Ferrari official figures).
Since the 488 is already less heavy than the 458, and the 488 VS goes further than the Speciale in weight reduction (using more carbon), it may probably go to something less than 1380 kg.
It has also to be noted that all quoted figures are for optimal configurations, taking all optional equipment reducing weight and excluding all optional equipment adding weight.

 

Me 2..... literally both hands with that horse power !!

 

Really?? You have facts or is that your imagination and wishes ??

 

I think it's fair to say that we were told to expect more LEs, Ferrari have confirmed three launches a year and the stock market is greedy.

For those of us who might know something, unless forthcoming, I don't think it is fair to ask as one assumes it must be privileged information.