The Purosangue Thread

I think the question we need to ask is will the market support both an SUV and a new GTC4 or will just one survive?

 

Hopefully the FUV will be a major flop!

Ferrari and SUV should never be used in the same sentence.

 

There is another epic thread on this topic. We have figured out a few things:

1] It will not look like a four-door car; it will have, "a clever, hidden arrangement" so, probably suicide doors.
2] It will have a V8 hybrid power plant (Not sure if that's the only option).
3] It will be, "unique and very Ferrari, like the Lusso" so, probably the same design language with more ground clearance.

It will be very difficult to top the Alfa in the looks department. Here is where I fear failure. I'm sure it will be the best performing crossover in history.

 

Exactly. Just as nobody makes anything like the Lusso.

The biggest mystery to me is where do they price it?

 

Apologies if i repeat something from before... My speculation is an "FUV" most likely means the end of the GTC4 V8turbo and possibly the V12 version. Again, this is purely my speculation but in reflecting on comments made by Mr. Marchionne and others that they will seek greater volume, it strikes me they will need better emissions and efficiency performance. So this means an "FUV" is likely not a V12. It would likely be either V8 turbo with possible hybrid or maybe even V6 turbo with possible hybrid. Why would Ferrari continue the V8 GTC4 then? Its just extra complication and likely not worth it for a relatively low volume model. The V12 GTC4 could be seen as a special link to the past- a 4 seater V12, something Ferrari was always known for. And we should stop for a minute and remember today is the 120th anniversary of Mr. Ferrari's birth. Although he used many different engines, when I think of Enzo Ferrari, I think of V12 engines. Anyway, it would be nice to keep the V12 GTC4, but again, if I am selling cars and have to worry about emissions and efficiency, I might be best off having one V12 production model- the 812 and its successors, and let the other models be powered by other things. At some point there will be hybrid and perhaps even full electric. So I think Ferrari will have to keep a V12 in their line up, but it might not appear in as many models as it does today...

This is partly why I have pulled the trigger on a GTC4Lusso, but not the primary reasons because while its fun to speculate and discuss our passion with fellow Tifosi, the most fundamental reason is the car drives amazingly well and I kept finding myself wanting a Ferrari I could drive throughout the winter. I think the GTC4 is something special right now. Time will provide us with the answers on what happens to this line of cars, I hope it continues, but I do wonder....

But to come back to the "FUV"- again, this is just my opinion, if they have to do it, then I hope they find a way to give it links to racing of some sort. My humble suggestion to the form is as Mario remembered- maybe something like an expanded GTC4: so maybe 1-2" higher, maybe 0.5" wider, and maybe 5-6" longer, with hidden rear doors. And I suggest to find a link to racing or rallying. Maybe there is a race series they can enter this into and find success? Or some records to break? Do they still run the Paris-Dakar Rally for cars? I think an "FUV" has to be something very different from a Cayenne Turbo or even the Lamborghini URUS. Lamborghini put that vehicle out and as far as I can tell, its selling points are that its fast, its got some Lamborghini influenced sheetmetal and interior and perhaps Audi/ Porsche/ VW reliability. I find that argument a little thin. I think a "FUV" has to be something far more than just a Ferrari SUV. It needs to have us all saying- wow, they blew away these records, that is impressive. After all, Mr. Ferrari used to say a race car is beautiful after it wins. Since Ferrari's street cars are supposed to have technology transfer from racing, I say: go win some races or set some records and show why the "FUV" is something truly desirable.

 

One tidbit indicated that the FUV will not replace the 2+2, but it wasn't solid. No V12 for the FUV is pretty solid, though. I think they want to price it lower than the 2+2's.

 

And they will name it Ferrari Off-Pista

 

Nice, they got a little of the Portofino vibe in there, but again, no exterior handles on the rear doors.

 

I couldnt disagree more. I dont want a boring SUV as my hauler...so a Lambo or Ferrari would be awesome.
Nothing against the Cayanne but same old same old is enough.

 

That's pretty cool!

 

no way, Ferrari will sell a lot of suv cars. maybe it will hurt sales of lusso. urus, bentayga

 

when porsche cayenne was debuted, it was bought by customers whom never owned 911, the same thing can happen to Ferrari SUV, no doubt Ferrari will have no problem to sell this car

 

I'm not a "status SUV" kind of guy.
They will sell loads I'm sure though, because lots of people are that way inclined.
For me if i were to look at a "performance" SUV I guess the Alfa Stelvio would probably do the job for 1/3 of the price of any FUV.
Even then, I would feel a bit of a tit turning up at my local dump with sacks of garden waste.
Never say never, but I don't think I'm their guy for this, even if Ferrari would take my 06 Forester XT as a trade in to cover the cost of the cup holder.
Shooting brakes on the other hand, well of course !

 

Good points. That’s what a range is for though.

 

My only issue with the FUV is my wife will want one as her daily hauler of my 2 young boys and all their stuff! I will most likely buckle to that demand because I will get to drive it but then I am managing some huge optics when it comes to school drop-offs, bday parties, play dates etc. I have enough problems trying to keep my kids (and wife) humble, not to mention the number of hand bags I have had to buy to offset my F car hobby (er..addiction!). And like 635CSI said do I really need an SUV status ride, no, but I also don't need $30k+ of carbon options in my Lusso and it has that. I am about to cancel our deposit for a 2020 Cayenne Turbo :/ see where this goes LOL

 

LOL...I'm sure you're not alone on this.

 

I do think Ferrari will do an SUV. It has to do more about money/profit then the brand image. Remember, Ferrari is now a publicly traded company (stock symbol: RACE) and the dynamics of shareholders vs. boutique auto manf. are completely different. The same thing is happening / has happened to all the "what used to be unattainable luxury" brands. Look how Mercedes has diluted it's brand. It's not the exclusive brand it used to be, but they are pumping out MBs like no body's business.

All these once boutique brands are now owned by big publicly traded companies (i.e. Bentley, Rolls, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc). Now Ferrari.

Still great products, but if you want the uniqueness and exclusivity, you have to start moving to Koenigsegg or Pagani, or the like.