How much premium for this spec?

I definitely think those look cool, but I probably wouldn't pay more than a $5K or so premium for the added options. I paid $65K for my 360, so if an identical one had these options, I might have paid $70K. Just one opinion.

-Wayne

 

Damn, if I found a car with those Seats and Roll Bar, i'd be ecstatic. Perfectly willing to pay for it, since I'd want it anyways.

The CF...it looks good, but, indifferent to it either way.

In HK, my 360 cost me 82K USD. So...honestly, the seats themselves are like 10K USD if you can find, and then the roll bar, with install, since you need to weld, is probably another 5K. CF Bits probably another 5K all said and done. So, 20K in upgrades...I'd probably be willing to pay like 10K for it all, maybe a bit more since I love those seats.

 

I'd pay extra for the seats and harness bar.
carbon fiber reinforced plastic takes away value IMO.

 

Not being argumentative but are you thinking the engine compartment carbon fiber is CF/plastic? I can assure you that they are not. Matter of fact all of the carbon fiber is multi layer carbon fiber (no plastic). Regardless, I think most people are willing to pay extra for the racing seats in the 430.

 

It's real carbon....not reinforced plastic.

 

For what Ferrari charges for carbon fiber options I'd expect real carbon fiber......

 

I could well be missing something, but those look to me to be just normal tightening straps, and not intended to separate and let go in an impact. And if they do let go, it defeats the purpose to have them both let go. And since there is no provision for a 5th (or preferably 6th) point crotch belt, that is a dangerous, potentially life threatening design.

Would Ferrari make such a “mistake” you ask? Probably. Four point harnesses are common in many markets, and there are lots of them for sale from multiple manufacturers. I just wouldn’t ever buy or use one myself.

(I use a Schroth ASM harness in my track car, where one shoulder strap has a patch sewn in that will release and allow one shoulder to move forward a few inches on impact. With the other shoulder held in place, this allows the torso to twist enough that you won’t ‘submarine’ under the lap belt, turning your abdominal organs into jello. Submarining at city speeds is perhaps less likely, but still possible. Also, if there is no 3 point option in the car, even a city driving speed impact with a four point harness can hold your shoulders steady while pitching your head forward, resulting in a basal skull fracture - in effect separating your head from your spine. That’s how Dale Earnhardt managed to die in a relatively slow speed bump into a wall.

Sorry for the lengthy semi off topic reply, but I am a bit passionate about driver safety.)

 

Dale Earnhardt didn’t have the helmet retaining system used these days, right? Didn’t that invention become a mandatory after that tragic accident?

The additional weight from a helmet has proven to be a potential lethal risk during a collision. If I’m not wrong here, the retaining system (basically a small strap that prevents the head / helmet to move excessively during a collision), is mandatory equipment in race cars nowdays..?

 

Four points will get you hurt. Three points let you bend at the waist so you don't submarine and the air bag catches your head. Had five points installed in my Viper track car along with 3 points. 3 points on the street. 5 points on the track to hold you better during high G braking and cornering. 4 points will get you broken legs at best and at worst you could be turned into a lump of garbage in the foot well. GTS Bruce

 

Here in the US, neither the harnesses nor the roll bar are available options, but the carbon seats are a rare and very valuable option.

 

Guys,

every CF part is a Carbon Fiber Reinforced Plasttic part. The Plastic, commonly Epoxy or Phenolresin, holds together all the fibers and gife them the shape of the part. The Fibers than take the loads and forces (quite simply explained). If You just layedr up pure Carbon Fibers, You just get a pile of Fibers, You need the Plastic (Resine) to "bond" them. So, enough OT.

 

I'm VERY familiar with carbon fiber and the process used to make components/structures. My response, (and I will assume others as well), is that some people assume that the carbon fiber is simply a cosmetic/aesthetic "cover" over a "plastic" core that does not contribute to the structural integrity of the part.

 

Come on man....you serious?
Many here knows how its made and what a 100% CF means.

What were referring to is the crap that comes in usually from china that have plastic and fiberglass backing for support with a layer of CF on top.
This is not the case with this car.

 

360 Racing Seats from the 360 Scaglietti options catalog.


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The reply is no surprise. They are selling a perfectly legal add on item that people are willing to pay a premium for. I never said it wasn’t legal. I said it wasn’t safe.

Submarining happens in seats that are perfectly upright as well. It is not the result of the initial impact sliding the body under the lap belt, it is the result of the rebound following impact, as the body continues its forward momentum after the car has stopped.

The submarine and the neck issue are both solved with an ASM patch because only one shoulder strap lets go. One shoulder stays held tightly back while the other moves forward. This twisting motion locks the lap belt over the pelvis, preventing submarining, and the lean prevents the neck from being snapped at a dangerously sharp angle. Essentially it makes the four point belts act like the standard three point in a collision.

For occasional track use, and especially for auto cross, there are distinct benefits to being held securely in position by a four point belt. But if you are going to do that, do your family a favor and use belts with an ASM solution.

Again, apologies for an overly long reply, but again safety is a bit of a passion of mine.

 

But the parts in the Ferrari's actually have carbon fiber on/in them and are not "stickers" like I have seen over the wood grain trim in other cars, one of them being a 2013 Maserati Granturismo s. And to be fair I don't know if this was something an owner did or if it came from the factory that way but other manufacturers do apply carbon fiber "stickers" and should be ashamed of themselves. If I pay for carbon fiber I expect carbon fiber.

 

azlin75 - I think we are saying the same thing. I know that the carbon fiber used in Ferrari's are actual carbon fiber. Cgfen implied that the carbon fiber parts were/could be simply graphic overlays, hence my response.

 

misunderstood, but got it now.

 

Or to be fair from Germany, as is the case when you order your 911 with CF interior trim pieces.

 

What a great F430! If I'm honest I would pay a lot of premium for this car, provided the condition is good as well.

I can understand the statement George made regarding the Scud (I own a Scud). At the end the Scud is an extreme F430, but it is a 430. And what I really like about this product line is that the two 430-models (F430 and 430 Scud) are so different. And that makes in my eyes both models so interesting, both are great cars in their own way, both have their advantages and disadvantages. The Scuderia does not weaken the F430, it shows how great the F430 is. Both are valuable in my eyes, certainly to some extent a matter of taste. And this car now delivers an exciting compromise, a F430 with a little Scuderia essence. Very interesting!

 

Well... I have to point out one thing where Ferrari did (IMO), a cheap CF lookalike: The instrument cluster facia in the 360CS is actually just a thin CF overlay on top of the standard Modena aluminium one...

 

Good point Mikael.

 

The original question is would this build constitute a premium.

The answer is only a smaller market of buyers are looking to buy an F430 with those options. They would appreciate the parts, but would they pay more? Not really, the overall condition, mileage & color determines the price, regardless of options.

Every buyer THINKS their car is worth more & EVER seller is the opposite. Those are the facts, just because people here SAY they would pay more is BS. They are not buyers, only speculators. How many classified ads here have positive comments with GLWS added?

Plus, it’s ludicrous to think It would EVER be worth more than a SCUD. Why? Because of rarely ordered high priced options? Then 360’s with sun roofs & sport seats should be worth MORE than a CS.

Years ago I had a highly modified Twin Turbo RX-7. When I sold it I stripped off all the performance parts, preferring to sell them separately. As an example I had Carbon racing seats & JDM Momo steering wheel.

The reality is, you can’t sell a car without seats & a steering wheel right? I may pay a couple extra hundred bucks for nice ones, but not the $4K more I got for them.