F12 vs 812

Great photo! I'll come back to it again, I think they had to go with a more aggressive look for the evolution model (812) because they already did the "timeless elegance" look on the F12. If you really like that better, there is a good inventory to choose from. And if you love the more aggressive look of the 812 then you can choose that. Its a winning situation for anyone who can afford these cars. I really do prefer the looks of the F12 though and thats one of the reasons why I made my choice.

 

I have no problem with "more aggressive-less elegant" 812, but I wouldn't like to see that as general design direction for all future models.

 

Enzo was right in many things but on this one you paraphrased I think there is an omission and he should have said "The Customer Is Not Always Right, But he/she is Always The Customer"

This thread you launched has the great merit of being very objective "F12 vs 812" which means we have only two options, either we choose one of the models as our favorite or we say we like both. Personally I can confirm I choose the F12 because of the design which I think is far superior to the 812 from many angles but, that doesn't mean at all, that I'm against Ferrari car technical evolution or new different designs. What I'm against in a Ferrari is about very evident bad design elements which I think the 812 has and on this particular if I could, I would say to Enzo "Ferrari Is Not Always Right"

 

To which Enzo would wink and point out that the entire production run will sell out regardless, which is far more important than being right or wrong!


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I couldnt agree more with you, radical changes are highly needed in order to keep your models fresh and exciting for new buyers!

 

Which proves Enzo right after all!

 

Lets see what we will say once the 812 is replaced in 2020/21 (??).

Maybe we will again say the new model lost the "forever beauty of the 812". We always do...see the 599, F50, 612, etc..All took some time to be seen as beautiful cars.

Lets give time for the 812 aesthetics grow.

...But yes, the F12 is one of the most beautiful Ferraris of all times. However, I guess most of us won't be able to judge the 812 before some years pass and we start seeing the model more.

 

812 design is an authentic disaster ! everything on this car is truely incoherent and a real problem for the eyes.

 

I'd call the front and back matter of taste, the sides are objectively a freakin mess . . .

 

I really like the 812 look. Guess I’m weird.


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Would like to hear from folks that have owned both the F12 and 812

 

I fully agree with your assessment! Furthermore, in contrast to the F12/ 812 design evolution the FF / GTC4Lusso exterior changes have been done so much better by Ferrari in my opinion.
I always like to compare these discussions with the following observation: It‘s like looking at a beautiful woman - the absolute majority of men will agree, that the woman is indeed very beautiful, where as only a minority has effectively a different taste or then they are not interested in women at all. Taste is most of the time not relative....

 

I posted a response to the "new" 812 many months ago about the design... IMHO, If the rear of the 812 would have come out as a 'kit' for a different look for the F12, I seriously doubt there would have been many positive remarks nor many buyers... I do like the 812 front and still lust for a TDF....keeping my F12 !

 

I love the 812, loved it the 1st moment I saw it.

 

Anyone out there that's driven both ?

 

I haven't but I can tell you I know several people who have both. They all say the 812 is a huge leap forward in every way and tremendously impressive. They say it feels more mid engined in its handling response and yes, it's noticeably faster. The surprise based on some of the commentary here (questioning material quality/ supposed cost cutting) is they say the interior materials are better than in the F12. I think the styling is a purely subjective thing, but objectively, the new one is better and that's almost always how it goes. How do they keep making these cars better and better? That is part of the magic.

 

Tried the 812 on the roads around Le Castellet last weekend (was on a track day with my F12). The 812 drives very well indeed and is an improvement over the F12. It feels lighter and quite a bit more nimble (probably due to the 4ws). On small country roads, I was not able to feel the difference in power, but obviously the engine remains very impressive. The interior is a (small) upgrade. But, I can still not get around to liking the exterior design. It remains very messy and over the top. I'll stay with my F12 and congratulate the 812 owners on yet another fantastic V12 Ferrari

 

Technologically the 812 Superfast is no doubt an improved F12 Berlinetta in several areas despite of the fact that aesthetically has caused much more controversy than the later.
The other day I was driving my F12 on a busy motorway and suddenly I saw approaching through the rear mirror what looked like to be the front side of a Jaguar. I was driving on the left lane and as soon as the car in front of me pulled to the right I pressed a little bit the accelerator. To my surprise and stupefaction the jaguar was squeezed to my rear and flashed the lights. In the presence of such an act of total disrespect I pressed the accelerator down to the bottom and observed through the mirror how the jaguar became smaller and smaller. A few miles after I slowed down and pulled to the right lane and let the Jaguar pass and have it’s moment of glory, noticing that the model was a F-Type R AWD. If this episode would have taken place not on a motorway but on some of the mountain roads with tight curves where I sometimes drive for fun when the weather is dry, I doubt that the F12 with myself at the wheel would have stand the slightest chance against this AWD jaguar with less 200 cv, unless I was prepared to risk my life and the structural integrity of my F12.
This rather silly story made me wonder if traction wise the 812, because of the rear wheels steering system and may be other features, has really improved substantially in comparison to the F12 ?

 

Some say it feels closer to a rear mid engine than previous V12's did. What's your thoughts ? - Thanks

 

I highly doubt the awd advantage would help the Jag succeed in the dry But 812 would still be struggling against the Jag awd in the wet only IMO

 

Was this another car styled in-house by Ferrari themselves?

Regardless of the answer, it' such a pity that such a magnificent engine has be housed in car, that at best, looks derivative and ungainly.
And at worst, looks like Corvette.

I look at it and feel no desire to purchase one.

 

That's something we are seeing more and more in the road these days. Rudeness and plain aggressiveness. It is important to keep calm and ignore provocations.

Probably the Jag just wanted to hear one of the most glorious sounds ever (F12 V12) while looking closely at that beautiful and sexy Italian rear. The F12 is one of a kind.

 

To each his own. I thought the F12 to be so beautiful but hated the awkward rear end. To me, the TDF is perfection but out of my range.

The 812 has some design elements that are divisive. However I found it to be beautiful when i first saw it. Corvette comparisons have been going on since the F12. Yeah. I’ve sat in both and that is a silly statement.




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