I was basing that on this challenge owner's experience: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/135499003/ Universal Autosport says challenge rebuild every 10-12k km, 'starting at $28,000 for a standard refresh'. https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/143698905/
Ok, you are talking about an active racing challenge car, I assumed you meant CS. Pretty much any cars that race full time in any series need periodic rebuilds. Edit: $28k for a rebuild is insanity, I have no idea what the differences are between a Challenge engine and a standard 360 engine.
Looking at power output I would say a Challenge engine differ nothing compared to a std Modena/Spider. There’s quite a difference in weight though... And exhaust... And wheels... And seats... And and and...
Oh man, I never would have bought a 360CS if it needed an annual engine rebuild lol! If anything the race engine may even be less complex than a street engine due to all the eliminated junk - emissions equipment, heating/ac, spare wiring, etc etc. I would guess they have additional oil/coolant radiators hooked up, probably use uprated bearings, and maybe a different set of forged pistons but that would be a total guess.
Leaning more toward your long block idea, but depending on price might go with complete engine. For peace of mind, don't think I would repair existing engine.
My car had an engine rebuild done at 37K miles. Car now has 63,750 miles. Dives fabulous! I know it is super fast compared to others 360s I have driven. It also had a complete transmission rebuild with new syncros. New brakes, tires, battery, new F1 clutch, full paint correction. I don't even use a battery tender! Car gets driven amd its likes it! Tell me how I messed up buying because it has "high mileage". Ive seen guys spend 90-100K on a low miles and gripe about how they spend 15-25K to "make it right". Mine has been very reliable and no issues over 4.5K miles I've put on it last year. Don't be scared to own maintained 360 no matter the miles, it's about what been fixed already and won't cost YOU money.
So true. My 456M had 7,069 miles on it when I picked it up, and it was eleven years old. It even had the original tires on it. It was over $20K before I had it perfect, but then I drove it 27K miles in 5.5 years with zero issues. Ferraris need to be driven and maintained to work well.
I have to admit that I'm a bit concerned with what has been done on a new engine or block, ie variators etc. If there are no records how would I know if engine has been updated with replacement parts. My independent is searching for engines and long blocks as am I. I'm going to talk with him Monday and add rebuild to the discussion. Then get the numbers and go from there. Not that the 30 degree surprise days are behind us in Atlanta I'm ready to create music with my right foot.
Image Unavailable, Please Login Jana TX, FL Full Name: Jana #6Apr 18, 2018 ↑ how many times did you pay $10k+ to service your 360? You make it sound like you spent $10k+ often. Over the course of 23 months, it was in the shop more than my garage. I drove it exactly 1800 miles, and spent 38k trying to get it sorted. It never got sorted and I eventually lost patience and got rid of it. There's a long, long thread about it in the 360 forum. Worst car experience of my life.
Agreed 100%. It's amazing how people park a car for years, never driving it, and then a new buyer is shocked when everything needs to be rebuilt/replaced. Stuff needs to get excerised and lubed up periodically. Even my 'collectible' car I drive 1000 miles per year. Do you recall approximately how much it cost to have the engine rebuilt and also the full tranny rebuild? Do you notice more power from an engine rebuild because they bore out the cylinders and it ends up with a slightly greater displacement?
I suppose some people might find it easier to just re and re the old engine with a replacement engine. or maybe some people have had catastrophic failures...punching holes through blocks, that sort of thing. but if I trusted a local rebuilder and it was in line with prices discussed here, thatd be my choice as well.
I would think there comes a point that a car isn’t worth being saved anymore and becomes a rolling chassis of parts.
Robert at Roselli Foreign Car can help you out . Contact him 1(408)297-0303. Mention Spencer from Ferrari Chat referred you
Thanks Spencer. Robert was very knowledgable and ended with the same conclusion of Independent here in ATL- replace motor. Its possible it could be a straight forward cheaper fix than engine replacement but peeling back the layers of hydro-locked cylinder and head gasket issue could reveal much more work.
So do you still own the 360 and if so how is it holding up? Also do you have a contact # for John Helm? I don't believe he is with San Francisco Motorsports any longer
What is the story on what you ended up doing and how your car turned out? I am in Birmingham and my 360 in similar shape with it's second blown head gasket where I too am dediding between a rebuild or replacement engine. What is your independent mechanics name there in Atlanta?
Was hydrolock from:: faulty fuel inj? Injesting water? Overfill oil way too much? Gl if diy I would just diy a good used engine Put the damaged orig engine away w a bag on it for spare parts and if future buyer cared about having the orig engine.. which I suspect they will say don’t care. when is the last time numbers matching has come up in a 360 for sale add? I’ve never seen it. Does the engine and trans have a stamp that matches the vin or chassis #??
I found a rare 360 manual with a sunroof. Pre-cats had disintegrated, so I removed and restored the engine. Very expensive, but it was worth it. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Put over 5K on it since the resto, and it's been perfect. You'll find a LOT of minor problems to fix if you do this.
Unless you are knowledgeable and experienced rebuilding is not an easy task. The last time I looked shop time was very expensive these days even for a quality independent let alone a dealer. I find it hard to believe that you could get a rebuild done for 10K especially adding the cost of parts.
It’s interesting to read this thread about some of the peoples experience with the 360. Lately until this thread popped up I was seeing a lot of 430 threads popping up with problematic issues more than the 360. It’s hard to imagine dumping 38k on repairing a car and it still wouldn’t run right. That is a lot of liquid capital and I would start to wonder if the repair center has any idea of what they are doing.
