The Purosangue Thread

Cullinan...definitely comfortable and practical, but its look is definitely not my cup of tea.

 

Before the FUV...

https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/05/10/how-a-mighty-v12-engine-powered-ferraris-huge-firs.aspx

EBIT +19% than prior year

 

I think the Cullinan is a job well done. I don't think its any less attractive than a Phantom. Both are imposing, but I would not say beautiful.

As to engine choice- good point that the Bentley and Rolls have V12 engines. But both are turbo.

I think Ferrari has a tall order ahead of it but I think they can do it.

 

Cullinan reminds me of this recent Mercedes-Maybach Ultimate Luxury concept, which, by the exterior appearance, hopefully will stay as a concept and never reach production.

 

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The Cullinan is absolutely beautiful and perfect for a subtle way to travel distances in comfort. It's big, which is great for us, as we are big people.
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I see what looks like a RR branded CTek 7002!

 

Each to their own I suppose, but I think the Cullinan looks like the new london cab.

 

bentley bentayga get financial success?

 

Below are the European sales figures for the Bentley Bentayga but I couldn't find any for the USA and for the rest of the world. The 1547 units sold in Europe in 2017 are a very good sales number if compared with any Ferrari model sales during the same period but because Bentley isn't Ferrari, I leave to others more expert on this brand the analysis of the figures.
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... just upscaled by a 1.3 factor I guess.

 

I think the Cullinan is awful, each to their own, one of the worst external design efforts in years for me Image Unavailable, Please Login

 

And the 4c was built in the Maserati factory. Note the work overalls of the assembly staff......
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Are you suggesting that Ferrari SUV will be build on the same production line that Maserati levante?

 

Not necessarily. I have no information to that effect. I am merely pointing out that within the branches of the far-flung FCA empire in Italy, significant collusion occurs between the players. Please equally note that the Alfa V-6 engine in the Guilia (turboed in the QV) is just about half of a Fer V-12. Need a new engine? Get an established design and size it with a chainsaw.....

 

Part of the problem with the Bentayga in the US was that Bentley only took like $1000 deposit on reservations, so they got a ton of orders (same with Telsa) so Bentley cranked up the production. Then, only a small number of deposits turned into ordered so Bentley is sitting on 100s of Bentayga. The US port is stacked full of them and the dealers all have an over-supply. That's why RR requires a huge deposit on any order. Smart.

 

And, the Cullinan is absolutely beautiful, but you have to see it in person. Pictures simply don't do the car justice. I'm first in line

 

Just to add......the reason why each manufacturer makes so many different models (and even sub-models) is everyone has a different eye and application. I always chuckle when people get into heated arguments about what car is better than another. For the most part, they are all incredible and hopefully we all have the opportunity to match our eye and need with the vast choices we have in this day and age.

 

V12 engine is something amazing, but most of Ferrari SUV customers will be happy with V8 turbo, I think they will sell many of this cars but suv will not make Ferrari non exotic brand because this car will have price higher than Urus and Bentayga, Ferrari SUV sales will be around 2000-3000 units per year, I think this SUV will have some impact on sales of Lusso, some customers will switch from Lusso to new SUV

 

These two engines have nothing in common. They don't even share basic structure. If anything, Alfa's V6 is closer in concept to the turbocharged Ferrari V8.

 

From Autoblog in Sept 2015 before the QV product release: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-frankfurt-motor-show/new-alfa-romeo-giulia-confirmed-september-2016-launch

A Ferrari-developed new aluminium biturbo 3.0-litre V6 engine with 503bhp powers this flagship model, something that instantly gives Alfa a full-blooded BMW M3 rival.

From the Sun in the UK: https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2936448/we-review-the-191mph-alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-a-ferrari-with-an-alfa-badge/

LET’S cut straight to the chase here. This is a Ferrari with an Alfa badge.
Ferrari engine. Ferrari engineering.
But with four doors and a much cheaper price tag.
Officially, neither Alfa Romeo or Ferrari will admit the 191mph Giulia Quadrifoglio uses the same lump as the California T, with two cylinders lopped off.
But it does. It clearly does. It’s just that one engine leaves Maranello out of the front door and the other is sneaked out the back.

So you are quite correct, good sir. It's not derived from the V-12, clearly its from the V-8.

My major point stands, the FCA family still includes Ferrari (perhaps a bit more peripherally now that they are public) but the crossbreeding within projects is obvious between Ferrari, Alfa, and Maserati.

 

The Cullinan body lines are pretty fugly !!! Looks like a Lincoln in the rear.

 

Agree. Makes the 812 rear look well designed.

 

Well sir, I see nothing wrong with Maserati and Alfa getting help from the best in the world.

 

Neither do I. I think the areas of expertise of each of these can very effectively be used by the others.