Is it time for gun control in Washington?

Mindjew (I'm allowed to get away with that) , whilst getting directly away from the OP's thread title but staying on the USA's mass murder issue.


They've been surreptitiously mass murdering most of the rest of the world since about 1886.

Coca Cola.

Kentucky Fried Chook.

McDonalds ham (not) burgers.

Wendy's.

Dunkin' Donuts.

Dairy Queen.

...............and a ship load more,foisted upon the rest of the world who were gullible enough to welcome "mouthfeel" into their world.

Notice I didn't mention Pizza into this mix........that's 'coz it's not theirs.......only the stuffing up of the original aforesaid is...

 

That’s true. The Hawaiians invented pizza.
And, as everyone knows, any proper pizza has pineapple on it.

 

And your police arrest kids regularly who are planning out mass murders with bombs or other illegal devices, yes?

This is pertinent because, if your not having the sort of violent crime issues sans firearms, than it isn't the firearm that's the issue.

See, it would work like this:

USA kid wants to commit mass murder, so he makes plans, builds bombs, finds a gun, etc...

Australian kid wants to commit mass murder, so he makes plans, builds bombs, etc...

See, the only thing that should be different, by your estimation, is the gun.

So, are your police regularly arresting kids who are planning out mass murder in their school?

 

So, Aussies are just too dumb to be able to build bombs, drive trucks through crowds, that sort of thing? Because, if they aren't (and I'm betting that, on the whole, Aussies are actually pretty damned smart), then why is it that gun availability is the issue? These kids that shoot up schools also regularly build bombs--so why don't Australian kids bent on the mass murder of their classmates also build bombs? Remember the Boston Marathon mass murder? A kid with a couple pressure cooker bombs could kill a whole lot more than some idiot with a rifle, so why aren't there such mass murders (or at least plots using these sort of devices) as common in Australia as the mass murders with guns are in the US?

 

You're forgetting something--in almost all cases, these mass murders take place in gun free zones. It's kind of difficult to stop a mass murder when you, yourself have been disarmed.

 

Mass Murder is a relatively new phenomenon (emerging in the 90s), whereas firearms have been prevalent in this country for longer than we have been a country. In fact, in the 40s-70s, it wasn't uncommon to have shooting clubs at high schools.

 

Have you told your psychiatrist about your tendency to want to kill your partner during arguments? You should do so, and fast, before you realize how many other ways there are to kill her/him hiding in plain sight all around your home. I SHUDDER to think what's going to happen when, during a domestic argument, you realize you can beat your partner to death with a frying pan.

 

Here's an interesting tidbit...

If the mere presence of firearms is the issue, why aren't there such mass murders in Switzerland and Israel?

 

My "attitude" is that all people have the unalienable Right to Life and Liberty, and that they therefore have the Right to defend themselves from those who would (without due process) deprive them of their Life or Liberty.

My "attitude" is that violent people are to blame for violent crime, and that such people need to be removed from our society.

If you "pity" these things, I don't know what to tell you.

 

I forgot to mention, I'm for strict gun control as it comes to criminals. I think if you commit a violent crime while even in the possession of a firearm, a significant mandatory term of incarceration should be applied.

 

GO AWAY.

 

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GO AWAY.

 

Please Bill just GO AWAY.

Thanx.........signed




Just about all the Aussie mob .


Except Speedy.

 

Tell that to Charles Whitman's victims. (1966)
or Howard Unruh's (1949)
or James Rupert's (1975)
or Sylvia Seegrist (1985)

1929 was apparently the busiest year in U.S. history for mass killings.

There are plenty more. As long as we've had guns that fire multiple rounds without reloading, we've had mass killers who use them. (Harder to have a mass killing in the 18th to mid 19th century, although the Gatling gun (introduced in the 1860's) may have been the first automatic weapon used to mass kill Native Americans, I'd have to do some research on that one, and of course that was government sponsored, so it doesn't count, right?)

Tag on mass killings done by ore than one person and the list becomes almost endless.

However, if we accept you argument that they really took off in the 90's, that would coincide nicely with the emergence of the AR-15 as a popular rifle on the mass market. Sales soared in the early 90's for this particular style of weapon, following the assertion by the NRA that it was a perfectly reasonable purchase as a sporting rifle. Once the temp ban on assault rifles ended, sales soared. We now have north of 8,000,000 AR-15 style rifles in private hands in the U.S. according to the NRA.

Not saying I have a solution, but am saying try to post facts, not suppositions.

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Only mass murders at schools are in "gun free" zones.

Vegas was not a gun free zone, Orlando wasn't either. The two biggest events were no where near a gun free zone.

 

The fundament problem with the idea that shootings are only carried out by “bad guys”, and plenty of “good guys” own guns, is that at the point at which a “good guy” becomes a “bad guy” a lot of innocent people get killed.

ie. A gun owner is often a good guy until they become a bad guy.

Bit late, really.

 

I said they became prevalent, not that the never happened before. And the 1929 mass murders would make sense--Bonnie & Clyde, Al Capone, and all that.

As for the AR-15, the worst mass murder in a school was committed with a handgun (VA Tech).

As for the killing of Native Americans, I've said it before and I'll say it again, Wounded Knee, The Trail of Tears, The Indian Removal Act, the forced reeducation of Indian children, the Incident at Oglala, the Terror on the Pine Ridge Reservation, hundreds of broken treaties--all perfectly obvious reasons as to why US Citizens should never give up their 1st and 2nd amendment rights.

But yes, the reason the AR is often used is its popularity, but that's still correlation vs causation.

 

Not exactly true. Very few murders are committed by legal gun owners. Does it happen? Of course, but even when it does, there are myriad indicators that there is an issue brewing. I once read a study that found that the largest proportion of the accidental shooting of children involved a household with a known felon in it. I suspect a lot of "good guys gone bad" are in similar situations (i.e. living a lifestyle that demonstrates they are violent people). I don't know the answer to dealing with this (besides altering plea deals to include the removal of the person's right to arms), but whatever it is, it must be weighed against the 2-million defensive firearms uses each year.

 

If you're talking about the Pulse Night Club mass murder, then yes, it was.