Outside of my knowledge base but at a guess I should think the casing will be too long
Absolutely, I did something very similar with my former 308. I mounted a 360 crank and bored to 83mm for a total displacement of 3.4L. Custom billet cams, larger valves, high compression. Made some 330bhp on carburetors and was completely civil to drive but appeared pretty much stock. It looks like Kevin's shop just used a 328 motor and gearbox, then performed mods to get it to 3.6L. Starting with a 328 drivetrain is a much better proposition then trying to marry any block other than a Dino block to a Dino gearbox.
The engine is from 308/328, with all the elements, gearbox, cluth and diffrential; the air intake is different from kit race that i see in the 308 Gr.IV, but i think without dry-sump
I am not a great fan of restomods, and I enjoy my Dino as it is, but I do admire what Kevin has done, with both his own car and this one. I particularly like the fact that the outward appearance is so little altered from the original. It really is the antidote to today's, over-large, overweight "supercars". No disrespect to anyone, but wouldn't you rather have one of these than a 488?
Camshaft cover on cylinder head is from a 308 Quattrovalvole or a 328 (2nd pic). Certainly not 348 cam covers. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I think the gearbox and differential housing are in unit with the sump, so no it won't fit and bolt up. Diagram and pic are 308. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Interesting. Maybe it's just identical to Kevin's 328 project, which would make the most sense as far as not having to reinvent the wheel. The F40 block, 348 heads, etc just seemed to be too much work and didn't make sense. Hopefully he chimes in to clear things up as different articles and videos are saying different things.
I really really love this. I respect originality a lot, but this is a fantastic evolution of the Dino. If I were to be nitpicky, I'd go with 16" wheels, just to keep a bit closer to the original, but I don't know if they'd clear the new brakes. In any case, those forged wheels look very handsome and the car looks and sounds amazing.
Leno got his facts wrong - he said, and I quote, "this Dino ... normally had a V6 with 160 horsepower...." And, those wheel look terrible - just saying...... Also, I didn't hear Leno or Lee specifically say it had an F40 engine....
No, they did say it uses an F40 engine. I think what they meant to say is an F40 block. Likely for the dry sump setup. The other parts definitely look like they're from a 328. The interesting thing here is that these Ferrari V8 parts can be interchanged like that. A 308/328 chassis with 400 naturally aspirated HP would be fun too.
Of course this car was originally a 246 Dino, but Jay may have been thinking of the 206 Dino engine, which when used in the Fiat Dino they claimed 160 BHP. 180 BHP was claimed for the identical 206 engine in the Ferrari Dino. 195 BHP was claimed for the 2.4 litre 246 which could be reduced to 175 BHP by smog controls. Listen to the video at 1.00 and at 16.02 for the F40 engine reference.
It looks like there is some confusion between the installation in Kevin's own car and that in the black car, maybe arising from the fact that the engine / transmission sitting in the panel shop photo is in fact my own 328 lump from my [i.e. Kevin's] Evo Dino which we used as a mule unit to speed up the project (Kevin's words, not mine).
It's a common problem with Leno's videos. He wants to keep it interesting without going too much into detail, yet can't help it and the details get mangled.
A 308 also has a 2.9L engine. 308 = 2929.9cc bore and stroke 81 x 71. F40 = 2936.25cc bore and stroke 82 x 69.5.
LOL!!! Talk about people digging bigger holes. So who's 308QV/328 engine is in the car now then where the 308QV/328 heads can be seen in the Jay Leno video? Screen shot from video and Jayson Fong picture below. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Just trying to help resolve the confusion. As Kevin states clearly in his video, it's an F40 block. I have a feeling Kevin might know the difference. If you don't believe him, why don't you ask him?
Please don't misunderstand, John. I'm not shooting the messenger. I don't see any mechanical advantage of using an F40 block at all. It would only add considerable unnecessary expense. Please could Kevin clarify if there is any advantage. The 308/328 and F40 cylinder blocks do have similarities from looking at the pictures I have seen so may well have an F40 block???? Kevin will have read this thread himself so no need for me to ask him.
Do 308/328 cam covers bolt onto 348 heads then? Seems such a mismatch of components to achieve the goal.
Good call. I'm now wondering if it is indeed a 308 block bored out to 3.6L. I think we've narrowed it down to either a 308 or F40 block based on Lee's 2.9L comment. Presumably it's an F40 based on what Kevin said and Leno multiple times, but it just wouldn't make sense to waste a block like that. The heads, cam covers, etc, are still confusing.
I have no doubt it will be as Kevin has stated, its the technical aspect of marrying all those parts together, and why each was chosen that interests me.
Yes, I'm sure you're right. If the engine does have 348 heads the reason Kevin will have used 308QV/328 cam cover(s), at least on the back, is that the back cam cover has a boss that has a reaction rod connected to it that keeps the transverse engine from torquing back and forth and stops the gear stick from jerking. The rear 348 cam cover does not have this as the engine is longitudinally mounted. I wondered what the boss and rod were and what they were connected to so I asked FChat Consultant and Ferrari Technician Paul Newman about it who explained. See pics attached with arrows pointing at what I am referring to. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login If the block is F40 and uses a 328 gearbox how has Kevin replumbed the oil hoses that come from the F40 oil pan necessary for the dry sump oiling in the F40 which will be absent in the 328 gearbox/oil pan which is wet sumped?
