Car review out https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/ferrari/ferrari-488-pista-2018-review/ Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk
Point taken but when u change the UI its a big deal and in reality is done with a model change. U will enjoy yr 2RS and like u no confirmed date on Pista either
That's too bad, but it's also one persons opinion. I think sound is one of those areas about cars which is subjective. I seem to remember a thread dedicated to the 458 Speciale not sounding that great... https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/speciale-sound-crisis.465931/ I can tell you guys I don't love the sound of the 488GTB and I much prefer the sound of the 458 Italia- even to the 458 Speciale. For me its easily more engaging and varied and multi-tonal. But, there is no doubt the engine in the 488GTB is super impressive and super powerful. I am hoping the Pista improves the sound over the GTB which is too monotone/ muffled for my tastes- I was hoping there was some super natural Maranello Magic that would make the GTB sound even better. I know its a turbo engine so that's what its going to be. However, I expect the Pista to be more involving and exciting- at least to my ears. That's the thing we all see and hear a little bit differently. it's not offensive and the whole package in the GTB is impressive. I expect the Pista will be that much more involving. That's why, though it's expensive, I suggest to get CarPlay - because I think this can help "future proof" the car. I've been reading in iOS 12 they might be finally adding Google Maps and Waze. I don't like looking at my phone while I'm driving, too many texts and other distractions come up. I like to keep the phone charging in the glove box/ center console.
I understand the Navi complaint, even though on a car such as the pista this isn't very important - today's Navi system are only helping cars to feel dated after a couple of years since launch. Its much better to use a specific Navi gadget instead IMHO. Carplay/Appleplay systems are extending a bit the expected obsolescence time of the multimedia systems, but not for long. I love technology but today's multimedia systems have a very narrow life cycle, which in my opinion doesn't suit the expected life cycle of a car such as a Ferrari. If we are talking about an inexpensive daily car, the story is different of course, because we usually don't keep those cars long enough. Speaking about touchscreens, I really don't think this interaction process is the best option for a sportswear...Or for any car for that matter. We have 5 senses, tact is one of them and while driving, tact is one of the most important senses to interact with the vehicle. I really don't think a flat screen is the best way to interact with a car and at the same time able to concentrate on the road. Dials, buttons and rockers are much more intuitive (and safer) in my opinion.
You are right. I am not a touch screen fan for cars at all. And that's also why I don't want to use my phone in the car. I suspect looking back in 20 years it will be even worse than looking at the radios in cars like the 360 because at least there it was a relatively small part of the overall interior "interface"- But what else can a manufacturer do? So to come back to the Pista, I can't wait for more!
To me the weakness is the price compared to the GTB - I can't help thinking the Pista, as good as it may be, is overpriced. It is consistent with the claim Marchione made to investors - that Ferrari wants to push the prices as high as can be accepted by the market, without any reference to actual value. This is supported by a very clever marketing, but I'm not sure it's sustainable.
Truth be told, I never used the interface You may be correct. I’m the US, we don’t know the price yet (at least I have not heard).
The open market always ends up dictating the price, nothing is immune. Look at LaF prices now compared to MSRP, then contrast to California prices. Market never lies.
This may sound a little odd to say, but isn’t this part of the charm of a high-end Italian exotic sports car? Ferrari’s have always had peculiar ways of doing things. This is simply the latest, most modern version of that. For example - has anyone ever tried to make sense of the heating/AC/defroster/ventilation fans in a 328? It’s insane and I love it.
Rather than future proof, CarPlay actually dates the car. The interface is already dated and in a few years will look like the old Motorola brick phone or an old blaupunkt radio when compared to new offerings. Stay true to the essence of the car and steer clear of gizmos that change every 2 years if you want to future proof your car
It's all relative. My 328 has an Alpine cassette player. My 355 has a SONY CD changer. They are both archaic but at the same time they are very cool. It's a snapshot in time. Everything about the Pista will dated in time, but that's part of the beauty of these cars.
The brand loyalty going on here is admirable and quite lovely indeed, but all the excuses in the world won't change that Ferrari could have and should have done better, especially at the $ asked. Sure Media tech is a changing game but to have not at least started out with the best of what's available at the time is a complacency. Those who prefer jiggling a knob around while they're driving finding and placing letters on the navs address screen in favor of using a touchscreen - well good luck with that one lol. I will however concede the mileage these cars see over the period of ownership (as evidenced upon resale) is a general indication things like nav and such would rarely get used if ever. However for the rare individual that actually drives their car beyond a cars and coffee meet, the navvy sure comes in quite handy at times! All that said the Pista is a sensational car no doubt!
It's not that I don't agree with you. It's just that I don't really care about it. I prefer it over a large "Tesla" type interface. Again, as odd as it may seem, it's so Ferrari to have something peculiar and I actually like it that way. It's almost like they go out of their way to make it that way to reinforce the idea that they are all about the driving experience and not the "other stuff".
The song being sung by Ferrari to the customers "that the performance excuses all" doesn't wash anymore and they know that. This Ferrari "peculiarity" will only fly so far and for so long.... The competition is now very strong and getting stronger...they know that.
there is a big difference between archaic components you can use and those you can't. an old school gated shift or wood steering wheel is indeed cool. an older radio is fine but an Alpine cassette player or SONY CD changer are unusable distractions that most prefer not to clutter the dash. so i would still advise to steer clear of such faddish, transient items. if Carplay is a must for you, fine. otherwise, keep the $4k in your pocket, stay pure and buy things that can be both appreciated and usable by the next owner 10, 20, etc., years from now
A useless effort to attempt date proof electronic information interfaces in any vehicle especially a Ferrari. Absolutely every single attempt will fail in short order which is why you should not do it in the first place. A dated information system in a car makes the whole car dated. Remove the screens and put a place for your gadgets if you must but keep the care pure if its a performance oriented Ferrari. Otherwise, buy a Lexus or Mercedes DD and put a muffler on it.
It's a valid point, but I see no reason to care about a car 20 years in the future. I don't believe a single Pista will be owned by an original owner that far down the line, so who cares what happens to it at that point? I believe you should make your cars perfect for the new buyers, not some guy 20 years later. If it looks dated in 2038, it's because it is dated. It's not like a 1998 Ferrari looks great and modern inside. 360s look very dated. That said, the Pista is a 488 so there was zero expectation or chance they would update this stuff. I'm sure the replacement will move things along a bit more. Still, infotainment is not a strength of the automotive world. They're all very bad at it and I wouldn't expect miracles any time soon. It's just not something they're competent in.
The entertainment in cars like the Pista is provided by the driving experience. They should really ban those touch screens. They are nigh on dangerous!
Noone1 - You misunderstand the depth of the issue if you bound it by a 20 year period. It is dated the instant it comes out not decades later if you know anything about current information technology productization. Automotive adoption of modern information technology cannot satisfy those consumers as one product's lifecycle is measured in weeks/months and the other in many years. Keep it basic, functional, reliable and with some small upgradeability for a performance Ferrari. No one will buy or not buy a Pista because of the human-information technology interface (or should I say noone) and Ferrari is savvy enough to know this.
Again, it’s a snapshot in time. The cassette player in my 328 and the CD changer in my 355 are never used, but they are period correct and represent something unique to each. I never used any of the tech gadgetry in my 488 GTB and I won’t in my Pista, but it’s appropriate for the car in current times. It maybe a track compatible car but let’s face it, it’s a road car. However unfunctional any of the tech will be in 20+ years, it will still be representative of the car when it was delivered from the factory. Many people like the gadgetry. If you don’t like any of it, dont use it. Simple.
