Oil choice

My advice is to not use other oil engine than OEM.
A wrong oil can be very harmful to crankshaft bearings.
You should trust on Ferrari engineers.

 

While you as the owner of the car may use whichever oily slippery fluid you would like, I would suggest sticking with Pennzoil Ultra Euro 5W40.

IF it were found that there was an oil failure and non-oem oil was being used, then that could open yourself to repairs that would normally be covered.

Might...

And I am a fan of motul...

S

 

Completely agree. As a Mechanical Engineer, I have seen the other side of why specifications go into owners manuals. Immense engineering analysis and test results produce the carefully crafted recommendations.

I ordered a couple of cases of the Pennzoil (owned by Shell) Ultra Euro Spec oil recommended by Ferrari for U.S.A cars.

Pennzoil Ultra Full Synthetic Motor Oil - Pennzoil

 

@ fanboy01
which 300V is your friend suggesting?
because MOTUL has 300V in the following weights:
0W15
0W20
5W30
0W40
5W40
10W50
15W50
20W60

-I'm guessing he suggested either the 0W40 or 5W40 which are fine since they're 40 weight, but these are racing oils not street oil and because of the low detergent content of the oil your friend is suggesting 3000-5000km OCI

theoretically this is sound, since you'd change the oil before it fails to neutralize combustion acids

IMO, i would switch to a 0W40 M1, Castrol, Liqui Moly for street use and the 300V if i track the car

@Migas
unless you've got a quote from a ferrari engineer, trust me not one of them lost any sleep trying to figure out what the "right" or "wrong" oil for the 458 was

as for the bearings the 0W40 > 5w40 on each cold start

 

+1. Don't fool around. The warranty you save may be your own.

 

Racing Oil has very little of the additive package that protects the engine while it is sitting in the garage, and more of the additives that protect the engine when you are running the snot out of it.

Depending on whether the car seens more hours on the road, or hours in the garage will determine if racing oil is appropriate for the job at hand.

 

tried finding what the recommended OCI are for a race oil and i'll have to take back the comment about sound logic

M1 Recommends their Race Oil will allow for OCI of 500+ miles & for such a short interval 3000km/1800miles is too long

Racing Oils | Frequently Asked Questions

 

Agree. Agree. Stick with the Ferrari recommended oil replacement. Not worth taking any chances with anything else.

 

OEM only! No stupid additives! It is really simple.

Rick

 

Stick with Shell, not even an option and check the levels from time to time, engine running and after a good run.


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I think OEM fluid works well for your use and is probably better for you as others have said.

However, Motul 300v is a very good oil. It is an excellent choice. If you track or even street drive aggressively and you change the oil yearly, Motul 300v won't cause any issues. While additives are important, engine is protected by oil and not additives. Additives keep oil stable over time and clean engine.

When it comes to oil, the weight of the oil is more important than anything else. While brands do make a difference, the viscosity far outweighs anything else.

 

The difference between the 0-40 and 5-40 is the viscosity of the oil at lower temperatures.

A 0 oil flows a little better than a 5 at lower temperature, such as at start up.

The 0 oil is a relatively new technology.

I would pick a 0-40 over the 5-40 for this reason.

 

As an old oil man, I can tell you that the 0-40 will have more additives as a fraction of the total mix, and therefore less actual lube per quart. This enables the mix to achieve the slightly high viscosity index present in a 0-40. So yes, the oil will flow better at low temps. But if you live in a climate that does not have low temps (0 deg C) you are actually slightly better off in going to a 5-40 or even a 10-40. Ferrari recommends 5-40 as an all around mix that will work well in all climates, but you can adjust the lower number depending on your local climate.

 

10w-60 racing oil from nulon or castrol will be the best choice I guess

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Well, this is certainly a contested area so lets get into it a bit. Keep in mind that the OP has not posted the model or year of the vehicle and I do not know what the OEM stated as the required lubricant when the engine was designed (does a 2010 458 use the same oil as a 2017 488?). I can, however, say that my F12 has multiple explicit labels indicating Shell 10W-60. And I can also state that the dealer puts in Pennzoil Ultra Euro 5W40. So, not going too far into the base Pennzoil product (versus older Shell) being produced from natural gas instead of crude, there is a world of difference between 5W-40 and 10W-60 at any temperature. Ferrari is THE master engine designer/builder IMO and if they are recommending such a difference in viscosity (and base) some time after the actual design of the engine, then I don't believe there can be an argument made that justifies the fear of not using the correct oil since they don't do it either.

No offense to my Mechanical Engineering and similar disciplined experts but this is a chemical engineering (petro-chemical/petroleum engineering) area of study and there is more written about this issue of swapping oils than nearly anything else (besides fuel) with respect to engines of all kinds. Especially in racing. I think you will find, as I did, that the consensus is most modern oils have similar or identical bases and its the additive package and viscosity that makes the difference. You can read tons of papers and pour through volumes of oil testing results and find that if you buy high rated oil of the same base and viscosity you will not be at risk of failure. This is especially true when a Ferrari usually accumulates irreverent mileage and under the 7-year plan has to religiously make the trip back to the dealer for the annual oil change. However, the fear always remains about the OEM denying repairs due to incorrect oil usage. My lesson learned in racing environments is changing the oil frequently is much more important than the brand used. That said, I still (rather unbelievably) stick to the dealership using whatever they use. And prior to this car have never let anyone work on any car I've owned since the 70s.

 

I tend to believe that the factory recommendations and Shell.

Shell has a team of scientists who conduct analysis and development.

 

One additional comment: once you pick an oil, stay with it. The additive packages in the oil can vary and this can cause different swelling of the elastomers (O-rings and seals).

The Pennzoil btw has the horsey on the label

 

Hi all, what's happening with Pennzoil? They took the horsey off the label on the Platinum Euro Full Synthetic 5W-40 oil 2020 bottles. Also, they do not mention Ferrari spec'd at all. They still mention the oil is up to BMW, Mercedes-Benz, VW, Porsche and Audi specs.

 

Ok everyone, now I'm blown away; I just got off the phone with Pennzoil; They are telling me that the previous Platinum Euro Full Synthetic 5W-40 is no longer recommended by Ferrari North America; They have a new oil for that. It's called Pennzoil Platinum Racing 5W-40. This is the stuff now recommended by Ferrari North America. I sure can't seem to find it anywhere to purchase either.

 

Perhaps they changed the spec because of the turbos in 488s and F8s.


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Perhaps, The Pennzoil item number for the recommended Racing Oil is 550051259. I was able to find it in the Houston area from a Pennzoil distributor; They are having to order it for me.

 

Racing oils do not have the protection additive packages for street use. Racing’s oils are designed for high temp, high rpm during a race and then changed. Street oils are designed for how cars are used on the street and offer better engine and bearings protection for this use.
There are many tests and white papers on this. Oil companies such as Gibbs Racing, Mobil and Motul have articles on this subject.