Enzo Ferrari with fascism period

Please forgive my ignorance, but what has MVSN (Milizia Volontaria per la Sicurezza Nazionale) to do with the Army and Army specialities, Mountain troops or the occupation of Fiume in early 1920? Weren't in Fiume not just Arditi troupes and no MVSN? From 1919-23 the formation was called 'squadristi' and just after 1923 'MVSN' (camice nere). And any idea if Carli or Ferrari were members of MVSN?

 

I don't understand if you don't understand my English or what I'm trying to explain. Perhaps it's better for you to continue in PM and in Italian ?

 

Somebody ask a question, I gave him an answer. Maybe you're thinking to something else, because you didn't read well what I wrote before.

 

The picture # 3 shows a race car (Alfa Romeo bimotore made in Modena by Scuderia Ferrari ) and a group of 20 people, among them we can easily identify Ferrari, Nuvolari, Bazzi and probably Corni.
Somebody ( Christian.Fr ) asked where could be located this picture, guessing Modena or Bologna .

Your answer was : " the location is Bologna because the company moved to Modena after the Orsi family purchasing only"

Thinking to your answer ( and not to something else ...) , I kindly ask You :
- which company are You speaking about ?
- which company purchased the Orsi family, that could be related to this picture ? Alfa Romeo, Scuderia Ferrari, Lancia that built the car on the backside ? or perhaps Maserati....??
- which company has been moved to Modena (from Bologna) ? Alfa Romeo, Scuderia Ferrari ? or perhaps Maserati....??

Finally, tell me what does Orsi and/or Maserati have to do with this picture ?

 

In any case the Alfa Romeo bimotore is dated 1935.

 

During the war Ferrari built tooling machines for engines. I think I have read somewhere that after the war Franco Cortese helped Enzo to sell off the surplus of those machines.

 

"Ducce" is not correct, must be written Duce.

The correct name of the journalist writer is LEO TURRINI .

Giacomo Immature never existed, the correct name was Giacomo Acerbo . This is due to the use of Google Translator without any check...
His Brother was Tito not Tino.

 

This episode is referred exactly to the meeting between Enzo and Mussolini . The author says 1924 but is a mistake, and the correct year, for me, is 1934 .

From the book of Leo Turrini : "Enzo Ferrari, an Italian hero":

Ferrari was contacted by Senator Vicini.
Vicini was the representative of the electoral district of Sassuolo, today the world capital of ceramic tiles, at that time was a small agricultural center in the province of Modena.
The senator told to Enzo that Mussolini decided to have a long ride with his new car : an Alfa Romeo three-seater spider.
He would leave Milan, with Rome as destination. Since the Duce intended to make a stop along the road, Vicini asked to Ferrari to accompany him along the roads of Emilia region.
Enzo said yes, and ordered his mechanics to prepare his Alfa RLSS.

Then he called an old modenese friend: Guido Corni, governor of Italian Somalia, and a great sportsman.
"Our job is to be the pace car with the Duce, and I need a co-driver," Ferrari told to Corni.
"All right Enzo, but please, do not drive as usual, because if the chief of government gets out of the road, we two, end up jailed..." Corni replied.
That wasn’t just a joke: a few weeks earlier, Mussolini ordered to withdraw the driver's license to Fulvio Bernardini, a famous soccer player and later a great coach.
"I had dared to overtake him on his car along the Aurelia road," told Bernardini...

In any case Ferrari didn’t made any concessions at the wheel and, on the dusty road from Modena to Sassuolo, where Mussolini had planned to stop for lunch, Enzo drove his Alfa as engaged in a race. Behind him, the Duce took up the challenge. Even if the Duce's car was more performing, at every bend Mussolini lost ground..

At the restaurant, the unusual opponents finished about half a minute back. But Mussolini seemed having nothing to complain: on the contrary, he said he had enjoyed very much the ride. Not true, he was lying...

On the Duce's car, beside him, there was Ercole Boratto, a genuine racing driver, reduced in this case, to the rank of simple passenger.
He probably would have had no difficulty in keeping up the pace of Ferrari, as he was a driver that later would have won a prestigious race in Libya, the Benghazi-Tripoli.

During the lunch, Boratto approached Ferrari saying : "It would be better if you slow down, Mussolini is nervous, so if you continue in the same way, he will try everything to remain the closest to your car, but remember that I have a family at home ..."

In the afternoon, the two Alfa resumed their journey. Ferrari had to lead the Duce till to Pavullo, a little town on the Modena Appennini.
Although Ferrari's instinct suggested to continue the challenge, Boratto's heartfelt words prevailed. So the second part of the route was tackled without hurry.

At Pavullo, taking leave, Mussolini thanked Enzo, and said him: "You gave me a great driving lesson".

 

It could be also Vicini the man with the uniform. He was a commander of MVSN .

 

Sorry for any misunderstanding. Being an ignorant ‘foreigner’ I try to put it simple: In September 1919, D’Annunzio occupied Fiume with Arditi’ troupes (establishing Repubblica del Carnaro). In December 1920 the regular Italian Army and Navy recaptured Fiume with the battle ship ‘Andrea Doria’. MSVN formations did not exist end 1920 and has nothing to do with the Fiume conflict. Do you agree? And: Were Carli or Ferrari MSVN members?

 

I don't know if I can type this long, but I will try.

Starting on page 111 of "Enzo Ferrari" by Luca Dal Monte (English edition) we have:

On April 9 (1924), Enzo made the acquaintance of Prime Minister Benito Mussolini. Personally driving his new three-seater Alfa Romeo convertible from Milan to Rome, Mussolini stopped in Modena to confer with Senator Vicini. Eager to capitalize on the presence of the head of the government, Vicini invited him to lunch in his home district of Sassuolo, a town about 1.5 miles from Modena. Enzo, a works Alfa Romeo racing driving of national fame, was commanded to take the lead of the column of cars that was accompanying Mussolini's. [ref. 9: Ferrari Le mie gioie terribili, p 171]

At the wheel of his racing Alfa Romeo RL SS, Enzo led the way with the confident manner of the professional driver. Rain had fallen the night before, and the road was still damp. Worried that he'd lose contact with Enzo's car, Mussolini began to press of the accelerator, going so fast around some corners as to perilously skid. Once the column reached Sassuolo, some in Mussolini's party hurried over to Enzo, begging him to slow down the pace after lunch.

Enzo did not attend the official lucheon, eating in the next room with Mussolini's personal driver, Ercole Boratto. In the afternoon he sat again behind the wheel of his Alfa Romeo escorting Il Duce along the twisty Apennines roads, this time, as promised, at a slower pace. In Pavullo nel Frignano the party stopped again because Mussolini wanted to visit an inn where he had stayed some time before when he's travelled to Livorno for an actual duel with a journalist (with guns). After a few minutes, the column started off again, always with Enzo in the lead. [ref 10: ibid p 172]

When they all arrived at Abertone, the company broke up. Mussolini continued on to Rome, while Enzo returned to Modena. They would never meet again.

 

Because my efforts in this thread are useless, may i suggest to Christian to make more researches before to ask something here, avoiding to add more and more inputs in different directions? No offense to anybody.

P.S.
About the uniforms, there are a lot of websites, with pictures, on the topic.

 

I think his goal was to survive in the harsh political environment of the times. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

This ground is very very slippery...
In any case, I agree about the goal of Enzo Ferrari that was to save himself and his family, to preserve the factory, his workers and their families.
So till 1943 he did the same of what ALL Italians did till at that time, and after, as well known, he straddled both worlds, looking friendly at the Germans's eyes but, in the mean time, he secretly hid the resistance partisans and their weapons in the factory of Maranello. So he did till the end of the war, but doing this, he achieved his goal.

 

I don't know of this. Do you care to be more specific?