Alonso to participate in Formula 1 and the WEC

Again, what others think has nothing to do with one's self worth. If it is, one has an impossible row to hoe.
There are always naysayers. Happiness comes from within, not from outside.

 

Although this sounds great as the "wisdom of the day" it might apply for personal achievements but not in professional sports.
If Alonso would have cared to become vice-wdc he could have stayed at Ferrari...he did not because he did not see a chance to win a title there and a title is all that counts for him at this part of his career. He is too old to go for second or third, he might have in the beginning of his career.
Same as in other sports: who remembers the runner ups in the finals of soccer, football or whatever in the last 30 years?
Or we all know that Fangio won 5 titles but do you know without looking who was second in any of those seasons?

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We've hijacked this thread. I'll PM you (or should I say "start a conversation* on this board...)

 

Great, move over Nando and let Lando hop into your seat ,yeh he would be a rookie ,but at least not someone (mega expensive) living in the past who nobody wants.

He will be forgotten pretty quickly ,WEC? who cares anything about that nowadays ?

Spygate,Crashgate ,Flavio etc etc will haunt him forever..it's too late now Nando, the party's over .Bye Bye.

 

That's silly. He's made his mark (deservedly so) in F1 and he's moving on to lighter stuff 'afore retirement like many. What's your gripe?

 

In all honesty winning Le Mans this year doesn't even seem like a real win, would it? Sure it IS a Le Mans win but no other big manufacturer competition, does anyone else have a chance unless Toyota reliability comes up?

 

That's a fair point. He sure did make his mark on F1. As mentioned Spygate, Crashgate.....not sure 308 was griping about anything

 

Does anybody think it’s ironic that Toyota is the one that’s consistently been the one with reliability problems? Good thing my sequoia doesn’t follow suit and is bulletproof.

I honestly don’t think it matters to Alonso what the current circumstances are with LMP1, he wanted to do it a few years ago when it was blocked by Honda. He’s got to strike while the iron’s hot.

 

After the victory of Alonso in the 24 hours of Le Mans some Spanish media are talking about of Alonso out of F1 in 2019.
Alonso could be part of the future projects of McLaren in Indycars and Le Mans (WEC) and in this way he could win in Indianapolis and get the Triple Crown.

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/motor/f1/20180517/443620391038/f1-mclaren-plantea-futuro-alonso-fuera-formula1-indycar-le-mans.html

 

Alonso's most recent comments seem to point to an end in F1.

I hope Mclaren starts an Indycar team. **** maybe Button is up for joining that as well, since he's now USA based and still very much interested in racing.

 

Bon voyage!

 

Congrats to Alonso on his 24H win. One of the true greats of all time.

 

Whoop dee-doo. 'Far different than when Graham did it.

Oh.

 

You mean Faux McLaren team. Buying a Dallara chassis, putting on a McLaren logo and painting a car Papaya does not make a "McLaren team". It makes it a McLaren sponsored team.

Alonso is done with F1 because no one other than McLaren wants him for $40M a year. And, they don't want to spend that anymore. Let's face it, the only reason anyone pays attention to McLaren right now is because of Alonso, not McLaren.

The problem for Indycar is it can't look at the old folks home for F1 drivers -- like going to an Old Timer's game in Baseball. People don't go to see the sport. They go because they want to see their favorite driver before he retires forever

Indycar needs to bring in new talent, particularly from America -- something it has failed to do.

 

Mistaken again. If McLaren has it's own shop, own crew and preps it's cars, it's the same as any other team. Hooking up with a team (like this past 500), of course, is not. If they do it themselves, even with the colour and McLaren (to try and sell more roadgoers) sponsorship (who's saying they won't get another sponsor, btw?) if it is their own team, then it is a McLaren team; presumably called once again, Team McLaren.
Roger's done it before with his own Hertz/Penske plastered on the car. 'Didn't make it any less Team Penske that prepped and entered it, and he wasn't claiming it to be a Hertz "team", just as McLaren didn't last year. One needs to separate sponsorship on a car from who the team is.

A friend hit me with a trivia question from a sports trivia book once.
It asked "What was AJ Foyt's Indy winning car?"
I answered, "Coyote".
"Wrong" he said. "The book says The Sheraton/Thompson Special.
I advised "Errnt! The book is wrong!"
I continued..."The car was called a Coyote" (as it was)." "The sponsor was S/T and they wanted the "entry" called The S/T Special."
Nonetheless, the car was (and remains) a Coyote.
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.diecast.org%2Fdata%2Fsac_cars%2Fca4901_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.diecast.org%2Fdiecast98%2Fhtml%2Fasp%2Flist_reviews%2Fxq%2FASP%2Fid.CA4901%2Fqx%2Freviewpix.htm&docid=s5s-MFfLgY9a7M&tbnid=MMYOJvbMkOhZxM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiFyPL71t3bAhVGxVkKHcvLDQYQMwhcKBowGg..i&w=500&h=263&bih=741&biw=1440&q=aj%20foyt%27s%20sheraton%2Fthompson%20special&ved=0ahUKEwiFyPL71t3bAhVGxVkKHcvLDQYQMwhcKBowGg&iact=mrc&uact=8
'Next time I saw my friend (a non-racefan) I gave him a printout of the results that verified entrant as S/T and car as Coyote, and he stuck it in that page of the book.

I don't understand your logic when you bring up these "supposed" team/not team postings.

 

^ IF

There is the problem with your entire post... IF

IF they do as I say they will do to save cost and get the best bang for the buck, then I am correct.

I think they will do the minimum because there is very little money in Indycar racing from corporate sponsorships.

What McLaren should be doing.... and a lot of people in F1 agree with me... is getting it's house in order in F1 and not be distracted from Indycar racing.

 

Got something to say?

 

Again, very simple, they never claimed to be the team.

 

I think my post said it.

'Actually need an explanation?

 

Yeah let's see it. Need a laugh this morning. I think you could come through for me, your "hot takes" usually do.

 

I don't know what you are getting at

It has been a tradition for a long time in Indy, to call the car by the sponsor's name, and not the chassis builder.
In the 50s, unlike in Europe, advertising in motor racing was allowed in the States.
Since most Indy chassis were Kurtiss or Watson, calling cars names like Bardahl Special, Boyles Seal Special, or Leader Cards, Willard Battery, Tropicana Hotel, STP Special or Sheraton/Thompson Special gave more exposure to the sponsors, and added some colour to the event. Seems quite reasonable to me. Imagine the names of the leading cars being mentioned over the public address system over and over during the race!!!

Colin Chapman even tried to bring that in F1 when advertising rules were relaxed. Didn't we have the John Players Special instead of a Lotus?
But the authorities didn't like it and the idea never really took off. I suppose we are more prudish about advertising in Europe.

Anyway, the Coyote was a Lotus copy. After the rear-engine revolution, many US teams simply copied European chassis like Brabham, Lola, Lotus, etc... The Coyote was one of those copies.
Contrary to rumours, reverse engineering didn't begin in China, you know …
British constructors didn't pursue too far the intellectual property issue back them !!!

 

Ah.. then you agree a label slap of a McLaren logo on a Dallara chassis does not make it a "McLaren" team.

 

aaaaaaand he's gone

 

I'm happy to see Toyota win, finally! They should've won sooner but crapped out on the penultimate lap in 2016 and gifted the win to Porsche.

And hey, for once in a long time, Alonso's timing/entry into a team worked out in his favor, good for him. Everyone on here had been criticizing his "bad" moves left and right in the past, and when he finally gets a good one, people are still criticizing lol tough crowd.

And hey, how is it any of Toyota's fault that the competition couldn't put on a challenge?