Countach Downdraft 1985 to 1988.5

Dont bother posting your same old crap, try fair comparo,headers, no US bumpers,and cats off, thanks

 

Just like Boxers it’s no wonder carbed CT’s are more desired by most, especially if one does some research prior to buying one. Irriguardless of value. Lots of info out there to set you strait. Or just drove both and you’ll know. I’ve owned both BB’s and CT’s in both forms and IMO it’s tragic that FI was was ever bolted on either car. The driving dynamics is just better in a carbed car. Any one arguing with that is not being 100% candid or owns a FI car and is biased.

PS If I couldn’t have a carbed BB or CT and FI was the only choice I’d be happy as I have a deep liking of both the BB and CT.

 

You missing the whole point of the comparison..... it can’t be fair because they “Bosched” the car to begin with!!!! Couldn’t help myself.

I think the markets spoken now so your shouting to yourself alone at this point.

The fact that you have to write the above says it all so maybe it would be better if you didn’t point out the less desirable features when trying to vouch for it. Also the more you complain the more light gets shined on the DD. So that’s good.

 

Having driven both CT variant as well I can only support your statement.

 

Disagree,respectfully,have a nice day,

 

Bosch is good, Would you be a test pilot on a plane wich said Bosch on the tail? Or would you pick the one who said Weber? I think we all know the answer.

 

That comment has zero to do with Webers...... In a car theres no question which one.

 

Such a shame you guys cannot just enjoy your Countachs for what they are. Carbed, injected, so what?
You are in a very elite group which very few can join, so don’t get the big debate.
Yes the carbed is the outrageous, original design, the fuel injected more reliable (debatable), but really who cares which is best.
FWIW , I don’t care what variant I end up with, my fave is the anniversary anyway.
To me, a Countach is a Countach.end of!!!!

 

Geno,i hear you and respect your experienced comments, i never drove a carbed Countach back to back with an fi,i have driven the dd back in the late 80s,and walked away from the deal, nothing wrong with the car,more of a trade /nmbr situation, that beeing said,The Mighty Countach did feel very home made iloabw, much more so than expected.that was then,this is now. I drove a very nice example of a 365 BB back to back with my Countach, and the carb experience versus fi was non existing, my car felt almost explosive and wild in comparo to the carbed bb, Huge difference,night and day if you like, reason why i can for the best of me not understand the negatives reg the fi. Next,my day to day drive for 3 years was as Testarossa(as we know Fuel injected) this car also felt much more potent in any wich way than the carbed BB,i do realise i am comparing 10 years of age difference, i do love the carbs for history and sex appeal, but honestly think the driving experience and feeling thing is a tad related to the praseThe old car is always better. Anyway fun topic, and a agree the BB looks fantastic with the back flip up complete section open , with the carbs poking up.

 

Very funny to watch you twist words.... When the author of the article said stated that their was no reason it didn't feel like it could do it, was after Ingegnere Ceccarani informs him that they had tested a Fuel Injected Countach at 180 mph at Nardo.
Automobile Magazine Nov 1986. Ingegnere Ceccarani explains to Mel Nichols the details of the FI Countach. Lamborghini had previously taken another example up to 290 kph at Nardo.
0-100 10.8 seconds
1/4 13 flat

The best is you constantly refer to the 166mph top speed as that of the Fuelie, when in fact, that was the top speed achieved of the DownDraft test by Car and Driver...

And as I have mentioned many times, I am perfectly willing to put my Countach against your monster DD and we can record the results....

 

Joe, I value your expertise and your perspective but you're killing us with the bold font. Any typographer, graphic designer, or publisher would happily explain that you can get away with perhaps one brief bolded statement before you begin to frustrate the reader. After a certain point the bolded typeface is challenging the eye and the brain needlessly, and the content of whatever you may have written begins to lose all semantic meaning. The reader will skip entire passages and consequently you're hindering your ability to communicate effectively. You might as well be writing in all caps.

 

This topic shouldn’t be contentious. The fact is I owned a FI BBi and a carbed 365 BB at the same time and always drove the carbed BB way more. When I wanted to really feel and hear the mechanical aspects of the car the carbed car always won out. When I wanted to hear the stage 2 Larini exhaust on my FI BB I’d drive it but all I’d hear is the exhaust. This is not a subjective thing like what color looks better on any one car. This is pretty much universal. I’d hate the sound or a 66 427 Vette or of a Ferrari Daytona with FI bolted on. That would just kill it for me. Listen to a guy who really knows. Builds engines for 40 years for Lambo. Listen what he says at 1.41 can’t describe it any better:

 

The carbed cars are notorious for loading up under traffic conditions. You need to have a box of spare plugs. So far in AZ, the highest temp Ive had my CT out in was 108. No issues, a/c on, car runs great.

It is only a well known in your fantasy world. In the article, they specifically point out that they used the U.S. version for acceleration #'s in their Data box, they also specifically mention in the article that the Top Speed was accomplished in their European version which was slowed down by the rear wing, the data box includes a separate note pointing to the top speed noting to the speed being achieved by the EURO model, not to mention this is all collaborated by the pictures used in the article where the U.S. model does not have a wing installed, while the Euro Version does.

As for me and my cheap cigars and whisky, any time you'd like to compare those too, let me know. Of course you will pass on a test with my fuelie, it would be counterproductive to your cause....

 

Wow, this is quite the thread about carb'd and FI'd CTs!

I have made a number of trips to Italy over the past year or two for events, and spent time with Luigi Marmiroli, Valentino Balboni, and others. It seems that anytime we have carb'd and FI'd cars together at an event the discussion comes up about which is better. In those conversations with our Italian friends, the net result of the conversation was about the pros and cons of each.. how they are different, not really how one is better than the other.

The carb'd DD CTs seem to be the hot talk the past few years, but as Valentino pointed out, the FI CTs have great torque. However, I'll ask him again about this to refresh my memory of his thoughts on this.

I have driven both carb'd and FI'd CT's and LM002's, different, but both a lot of fun and with their own character and power. (I do appreciate the FI versions when it comes to the smell of fuel in the garage with the carb'd cars)

 

Thats a lie! Next thing you will tell us is that Valentino said the homologation is meaningless!

 

You think too highly of your opinion as to whether or not I care if you like Az or not. As for messing with the bull and getting the horns..... I totally agree , we are going to embark on having some fun very soon.. Stay tuned!

 

fair enough,

 

cams in the fulie where where ground to fit the more efficient fuel injection, the 0.1 diff in comp ratio gave a lighter piston,better free reving caracter.these are good things, Lamborghini put added work inn to the fulie,to bring it to the next level,the real world,in the US,law suits and Miami heat(as in temp)also 420 hp,with cats and ex manifolds,speaks volumes, in my world,going from Manifolds to Headers ,on a 500 hp eng,is avg 40 hp,wich would put the fulie engine past the carbed version if given the row exhast advantage. Joes agressive camshaft example simply means they where ground to match carburators and their pros and cons. Also Genos answer was awesome, he personally likes the carb for its feel and character,not one word reg any performance advantage.