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Discussion in 'Creative Arts' started by jm2, Oct 19, 2012.

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  1. ingegnere

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    A fat, bloated Mustang at that.

    They've stopped trying to pretend that the crease on the hood to the A-pillar is just a character line--now it's a full on puffed up hood right to the fender. What's the point of running the beltline crease forward into the side of the hood? Make it slab-sided and admit it's a bloated pig.
     
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  2. jm2

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    I was trying to be kind ;)
     
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  3. energy88

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    #6853 energy88, Jun 15, 2018
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    Here is a summary of what I have noticed in the coming world of rear dejour exhaust vents:

    Honda Civic- The first time I saw this one, I thought that a new Civic had been hit by another vehicle with a black bumper on the rear corner. This design looks like it came from J.C. Whitney:
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    Toyota Camry XSE- I refer to this as the running mascara tail light. Looks like vandalism on a light colored car, but is actually an interesting feature on a dark colored car. In real life, this appears as a thin piece of ribbed trim:

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    Lexus LC Coupe- Apparently Toyota saves the more tasteful designs for the more expensive cars. Have not seen one up close, but hope it is more than 4 pieces of black horizontal trim:

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    BMW 8 Series- Makes one wonder what the engineers and designers intend to be letting out. Brake heat? gravel thrown up by the rear wheels? whatever?:

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  4. ingegnere

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    LOL on J.C. Whitney comment - spot on.

    Camry vent = face palm.

    8 Series = return of the Bangle butt! So, vents for letting out gas maybe.
     
  5. Texas Forever

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    Whut's wrong with JC Whitney? I used to spend hours with their catalog.
     
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    Holy cow that BMW rear end is so unnecessarily busy, blech.
     
  11. jm2

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    Complex, it is!
     
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    I can't find anything much good to say about the new 8 Series. Since the arrival of Bangle, its been pretty much a decline into mediocrity.

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    I think if BMW had built the 850 CSi before the 850i, this car would be regarded as very special.
     
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    I’ve spent hundreds of hours in the wind tunnel. It’s more art than science.
     
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    I guess things haven't really changed all that much, the third gen Firebird had a Cd of 0.29. As I recall, they said they could have gotten it much lower if they could have lowered the front of the car more.
     
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    This quote really stood out for me:

    “We can affect aero maybe 10 percent one way or the other—if the coefficient of drag is .30, maybe we can get it down to .27,” Karbon says. “And that might represent three-tenths of a mile per gallon in fuel economy, depending on the vehicle.”

    So... the cars are homogenized and the designs are smoothed out to gain 0.3mpg? Why so much effort for so little gain?

    Given the choice, I'd happily sacrifice 1-2mpg in fuel economy in order to drive an uncompromised design.

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    Because the Federal Government has strict mileage standards. Every .1 of a mile/gallon makes a huge difference. Otherwise, severe fines, gas guzzler taxes.
     
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    And regulations also make this somewhat of a moving target over time. If there is ever another generation of Firebird someday, that Cd is likely to be higher due to the new pedestrian crash standards raising hood heights. In fact, the latest generation of the Camaro has regressed back to around earlier generation Cd values.
     
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    Can anybody explain to me how a bullnose is less likely to kill someone than a sloping front?
     
  24. jm2

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    no, you're still dead.
    However, the regulation is trying to have the pedestrian fly onto the hood and lessen the impact by having the hood collapse. Hence the minimum distance to any 'hard' points under the hood. To me personally, i never understood the requirement, but people a lot smarter than myself have been looking at pedestrian impacts for decades, and they're convinced the requirements will save lives. having said all of that, lambs, Ferraris and Corvettes manage to meet the requirements, so regular production cars don't suffer that much. Once everything becomes electrified and the ICE goes away, there will be plenty of crush space under the hoods of vehicles.
     
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  25. Texas Forever

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    Oh, you mean this helps protect the car? Okay, I get it now. :rolleyes:
     
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