360: By the Year Differences

Arguably the correct answer to your question is none because any changes were not introduced at MY changes

I would be most surprised if any changes are not described in the buyers guide sticky thread

 

Thats a great answer! So in other words newer models can’t be upgraded to a tcu from a stradale if i read properly?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

They all can and many have been. In fact, the last standard TCU released was released after the CS TCU.

You will find that most cars, if they are reasonably taken care of, have had all of the major issues updated. SO, year matters much less than how well it has been kept up. I could go as far as to say that year has little bearing on the result for a 17 year old car.

 

I have to say (not to start an 3 pedal vs. F1 debate--again) but my '03 F1 shifts are incredible. I've never driven a pre- 2003 F1 car so I have nothing to compare it to... but I have a hard time imagining how the F1 could be better than it is in my car. One of the reasons I searched for an '03 or '04. FWIW

 

I agree but the transaxle didn't change so any of them will shift like that if you updated the TCU for ~$1200 including labor and many have been updated.

 

This. I *suspected* that mine had alot of work done to it in the past. And sure enough.. when I did the clutch a few months back the ring gear was upgraded to 6 bolt. I think at this point that most of the updates have been done. One owner in the cars past (unless 1 owner cars respectively) must have said "have all the campaigns and updates been done to this car before I buy it?"...

 

Was it 2003 that the Spiders got the access port to the fuel pumps (but of course not rhe rollover valves which are what usually fail first).

 

I just dismantled an 01 Spider and it had the plates you can remove from the roof tray to pull the pumps so if that’s what you’re talking about I would guess it must have been implemented pretty early in production.

 

Another major improvement not noted in the list Chris mentioned:

"Early Spiders have no access to engine-compartment subframe attachment bolts, and so require more labor for many types of routine service. The top was redesigned at assembly #41464 to remedy the problem"

So in this case newer is better

 

Noticeable differences, from my hands on experience, please note that these difference doesn't include challenge stradale. and I serviced hard top only, I've never touched any convertible. Please also note that I am not 100% sure i am correct, although i am 90% sure.


1. horns are different on later cars. supposedly better ? i can't hear any difference.
2. back of engine intake manifold(red), there are 2 vacuum hoses. Each hose is subsequently connected to another hose and another hose and lots of connections between the vacuum port on intake manifold(red) to the brake booster. The shape of these hoses is changed on later years.
3. early 360's timing cover has a little washer "under" the cover.
4. on euro version cars only: carbon canister has 3 holes for early years, 4 holes later. consequently, there is one more valve added to the evap system.
5. spark plug was replaced with another spec. at least the ngk's part number is different.
6. door tie rod. The thing that gives you the "threshold opening" thing. im not sure how to describe it , pardon my english as a 2nd language, but the attachment method is different . And i can't recall how different. but they are.
7 . there's a red lamp on each door ( for safety) the lamp's fixing clip is of a different mechanism on later cars.
8. fuel pump's fuel indicator lever was replaced with an odd shaped thing, compared to rounded cylinder like thing in early years.

9. right hand fuel tank has 1 more hole on it to accomodate a pressure sensor on later years's cars.
10. the fuel tanks are connected on top by an aluminum pipe. the shape was changed on later years. to what end? i dont know
11. my 2000's fuel tank mouth (the place where you put gas nozzle in) 's construction was modified a little bit. all other years are the same. looks like a failed experimentation by ferrari.
12. later dome time piece's button are sticking out and early are recessed!!! i love the sticking so much and i hate the recess early ones as i can't adjust the time with my big fingers.
13. there's a bracket that support the clutch position sensor and another small connector i can't remember. The bracket was secured to the gearbox by a bolt on later cars , early cars have a stud coming out of the gearbox and a nut is used to secure the bracket.
14. as in "13", the stickshift 360's gear change control block (just outside the open area on rh side of the gearbox. It is the counterpart of the f1 version's f1 actuator) was attached to the gearbox by studs and nuts on early 360s, later they changed it to bolts.
15. as in "13" and "14". The half shaft has a protector above it. The protector was secured to the gearbox by 3 studs and nuts in later 360s, early on they use bolts.
16. as in "13" and "14" and "15". there's a bracket that support the f1 fluid hoses. The bracket is secured by 3 studs to gearbox on later cars. Early they have bolts. ( or the other way around? I can't remember, but they are different)
17. windshield wiper ecu under dash: they get it installed vertically in later cars! holy smoke......what difference does that make. scratching my head. ( no, its not that previous owner installed it incorrectly)
18. there are 2 hoses coming out of the power steering reservoir, hose A and hose B. Hose A is modified somehow on later years car. As I observe it, A is made of 2 hoses coupled together. later cars has 1 single hose and the connection was eliminated. Hose B was intact throughout the years.
19. on f1 cars, the throw out bearing has a magnet attached to it. The magnet is railed along inside of a plastic housing. This housing was modified on later years. so does the "stop bolt"'s length ( for the throw out bearing.)
20. steering lower column has a spring or something weird on early 360s, later it becomes a ring nut or something. im not sure on this one, but they are definitely different as I served both version in dark with a small flash light and some gymnastic position.
21. there's a small compressor's bracket, early car and later car have small difference on shape, very small, you can't notice it if you don't remove it and compare in close examination.
22. there's a missing cable inside the door on later car. I supposed the function is achieved electronically. I am not sure on this one.
23. the ECU bracket are different on later cars. different shape.
24. oil disarestor (spelling? the big hole where you pour engine oil in) was modified to a better shape to fix some small issue, im not sure what the issue is.
also they add a little fixing clip to the oil cap , lest it will unscrew during hard racing!
25. engine bay side panels. early cars have flat panels. later car has a guide that guide rains i guess.
26. engine mount area is different. washers and other shapes, hard to describe.
27. when you removed the timing belt, the front of the engine , there's some brackets and threaded holes, one of the bracket, i forgot, maybe the timing belt tensioner pulley nut bracket. That bracket is made of 2 pieces on early cars. 1 piece on later cars.

 

2400 put a good list but as you can see, it is really minor stuff and most has no impact whatsoever.

This is true but only on the very earliest cars; AND some have been modified over the years to enable access. There are very few services that require removal of the top mechanism, clutch is one of them. To imply that these are common services is misleading. For example: my top has been out twice in 13 years and once was because I wanted to replace the variators (not routine in any way shape or form).

 

I was told by a mechanic that even for the cam cover gaskets the subframe has to come off for access.

That quote came from Forza in their "360 Buyers Guide"

 

Shifting program changed for 2003 and 2004 to reduce bucking on take off

For 2005 they redid the program again making the shifts super soft

 

Are the access panels for engine-compartment subframe attachment bolts the same as access to the top of fuel tank for fuel pump replacement?

Is there a way to correlate assembly #41464 to a VIN? I recently looked at a 2001 spider and I forgot to check for the presence of the access panels beneath the top. Working with the owner now to get it into a shop for a PPI, so I can ask the shop about it but would be better to know sooner than later. Could that be a deal breaker? I heard rollover valves and fuel pumps are common issues and are pretty cheap, unless you have to pay 10 hours labor just to remove the spider top cassette first to get access to the top of the fuel tanks.

 

For the rollover valves you still have to remove the top and apparently they fail more regularly than the pumps.

 

AND you can swap the tray if it isn't the newer model tray. The cost is fairly low.

 

Well that stinks. I just found the DIY thread by Gurjeous and it looks like a major pain. https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/360-top-removal-diy-part-1.427025/

 

and to add one more difference I recently found:

F1 oil pipe from clutch solenoid to clutch bleeding point.

I am not sure if early ones have the out layer in cloth or the later ones do.

also the part number never change.

 

So assembly #41464 is >= late 2004, correct?

 

I just bought a 2001 spider (gated) and it is assembly 41476.

 

The main power cable from alternator to engine can fail with corrosion. Mine gave out last summer and took the alternator with it or vice versa. The upgrade part has a new crimp on the connector that is more hearty. Sad thing is, the whole cable has to come out if it's burned too far, and that is easy to do, happens fast. When I had mine done, the old cable broke the oil pressure sender on top of the transmission housing where it crosses up and over from the alternator side. Someone probably forgot about or did not see where it went and pulled without looking. I had to wait another week and missed the Tutto show last year. They did tell me about the brake issue but I just finished fixing it myself Also check transmission mounts and ball joints. But these can be considered wear items, not changes. The Hill upgrades are the real solution. Mine is a 2004 Spider.

 

AN 41464 is way earlier than 2004. My 52428 is Nov 2003.

 

Not if you install the 4 maintenance ports like they do on aircrafts. Refer to this thread,
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/2002-360-spider-gas-smell.424761/

I have done this in prep should one of the rollover valves fail.
Should be a 2 beer job.

Image Unavailable, Please Login