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‘87 TR fuse blows after honking horn a few times - bad compressor?

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by xplodee, Jul 19, 2018.

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  1. xplodee

    xplodee Formula 3

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    Hi All-

    The fuse blows on my ‘87 after honking the horn a few times. Could it be a bad compressor? Any maintenance on these compressors or buy a new one?

    Bad ground?
     
  2. thorn

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    Checked the amp draw when you activate the horn? And yes, look for a short.
     
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  3. Natkingcolebasket69

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    Fuseboard tend to be very faulty on tr’s. Hopefully u have just a short; but if not ur mechanic can sort it out without too much of an expense. Several posts of boards here have been posted which can help u diagnose


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  4. 302Tim

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    For maintenance remove the top cap and add a few drops of light machine oil occasionally to lubricate the bore. It should spin more freely and possibly not draw as much power. Simple system.
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  5. lear60man

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    302Tim.......good lord, he has the pictures.
     
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  6. Melvok

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    #6 Melvok, Jul 20, 2018
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    Great Tim !

    This shows why WE ALL should make pics of all our maitenance …: to showall our (future) followers who will face the same problems.

    Hope it is a simple maintenance problem.

    Is there not a plastic notch on the compressor in which you should put some drops of oil ?

    BTW, if I recall well I made a seperate relay for my horn in the 512TR; oem wire activated that relay …

    I wonder why I did that :) (Front bumper removed here … extra two relays for the headlights and one for the horn)

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  7. 302Tim

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    Mel, on the Testarossa no way to add oil without removing the top (but it's just 3 screws)
     
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  8. Natkingcolebasket69

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    U give the most detailed and best advice! Very valuable to us tr lover!!thanks


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    Friend Tim Xplodee,

    How did you cope with that fuse / horn problem ?
     
  10. Streetsurfer

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    Oil can be added at the air hose nipple at the compressors that feeds the trumpets (in my experience with fiamms). . Back door so to speak. That’s the way I have always oiled the comprssors and a dry one can cause fuses to be blown from the strain to run.. You may detect a weaker sound or delay in spool up when it’s getting dry.
     
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  11. xplodee

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    I oiled the compressor then honked the horn. Got 8 honks before blowing the fuse again. Going to inspect the rotor, oil again and see if it fixes it.

    Fwiw the rotor was bone dry when i first opened it.
     
  12. 302Tim

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    I'm guessing you are heading towards the solution--good luck!
     
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  13. Steve Magnusson

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    Sounds like you are on the right path, but one other thing to do if you still have trouble would be to try a different ...113 relay in the relay A position for the horn. It's wired such that the 20A #1 fuse provides +12V power to both run relay A and the horn motor (so if something goes bonkers inside relay A itself that could also cause fuse #1 to blow). Additionally, that same "always +12V line" from fuse #1 goes to run the stuff in the glove box, including the auxiliary power socket, and it wouldn't be unheard of for someone to have used that same wire as a convenient always +12V source for running something added like an alarm system, power amp, etc.. Anyway, just wanted to point out there might be some other issues.
     
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  14. xplodee

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    Is Fuse #1 20A or 10A? Right now the Fuse #1 spot (the one that is blowing) is running a 10A fuse. I was under the impression it's a 10A not 20A
     
  15. Steve Magnusson

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    It should be a 15A minimum IMO (and 20A would be no sin) -- here's the F documentation references that I have for the TR fuse #1 rating:

    TR WSM 330/84 (covers early euro TR) = 15A
    TR OM 344/85 (covers early euro TR) = 15A
    TR OM 451/86 (covers 1987 US TR) = 15A
    Late euro wiring diagram 459/86 = 15A
    1986-1987 US TR wiring diagram = don't have a copy of this
    1988-1991 US TR wiring diagram = 20A (this also has the seat belt buzzer function so don't know if they increased it for this, or just bumped it up a little as they thought 15A was marginal)

    Do you have any evidence for it being 10A, or is that just what was in there?
     
  16. 302Tim

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    1986-1987 US TR wiring diagram = don't have a copy of this

    This is listed as a 15A fuse (WD 457/86)
     
  17. xplodee

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    My fuse cluster listed it as 20A. Have replaced the fuse with a 20A and all seems good
     
  18. Steve Magnusson

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    Thanks for the information. I always trust the specific wiring diagram book for a particular year/model/version the most (more than the OMs which don't always get updated well), but, if the label on the inside of xplodee's fuse-relay panel door says "20A", must have been something they missed in making the 457/86 wiring diagram book, or was such a late design change that it didn't get incorporated into it. That's the type of fix I like -- simple. Toot on! ;)
     
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