That's great to hear. Sometimes the Wizards, such as yourself, get so involved with the engineering and possibilities that you forget the practical side of things. Undo the Ferrari complication and keep the car as analog as possible so it remains fully functional.
Is there a cross reference available of other brand vehicle ECU's that use the same bosch hardware as the 360? I'm super keen to get this software change done, but would like to pull my existing ECU code, mod it and flash to a new set of ECU's. That way I can plug and play back to factory original if/when I wish to sell the car. Also looking for the link I saw mentioned earlier how to pull the code out of 360 ECU's. I searched the chat archive but can't find the mentioned thread. I'm a qualified electronic engineer so am capable of doing the work. I'm also keen to contribute help to this project from this part of the world too. Some fantastic work being done here by 360trev, I know how tedious the work is that he's done (and how awesome it is when you reach success)! This work is going to keep these cars on the road for many, many more years.
This ie exactly the approach I am working on. I will still need you to send off your ecu's to clone your exact firmware (as it is today). Then the idea is you unplug your immobilizers and ignition computers, leave it all in a safe place and use 2 new ones.
Who cares about insurance if your car is stuck in garage . Most of us are old enough to remember how to unlock car using the key
I'll be pleased if I can find a cheap alternative Bosch ignition ECU to reflash as a Ferrari one, tried an Alfa one but it didn't work, fixing hardware faults at this level is really time consuming! The search continues... Image Unavailable, Please Login
Since apparently the alarm siren module can be replaced by a GM unit, is it possible that there is a GM ECU that will work? There has to be some connection there since GM's prior parts company, Delphi, does supply some electrical items to Ferrari
Are there no hardware numbers on the circuit board Trev? The Alu case (46062) is very common as I was looking last week.... There are also all of the blank ones that were supplied with the exhaust kits that must be floating around.
Does anybody know specifically what model alfa this old thread was talking about? "rmarchjrFormula Junior Silver Subscribed May 22, 2012 566 North east, USA #8Sep 23, 2016 Correct, that unit is now paired to the immo. Now keep the good ecu on the right side (passenger side of left drive car). The other side will run with any correct ecu, even one that does not have the perfectly matching program (not a good idea), or an ecu that has been paired with a different immo - does not matter on the left side. Let your guy flash the new (used) one with the same program running on the good ecu and you will be good. I have run a Ferrari 360 on the reflashed ecu out of an Alfa, left side only, no issues." 360trev - I'm happy to throw you a few bucks in contribution to buy a few old fiat/alfa ECU's off ebay to trial. I can't wait to get rid of the immobiliser in my car (I have no pin and no red fob...)
Thanks for the offer but I am sure I will find one soon. Ordered about 5 different variants now. I've got my microscope so I can see which pins are populated and which aren't. I'm truly hoping its really the case there is is a drop in replacement unit. This would be fantastic as we would have a source of cheap Ignition computers which could be reflashed for tiny a fraction of the Ferrari price. The fear and costs associated with an ignition ecu, immobilizer dying or keyfob being lost would be eliminated.
Things are moving along well... Just in the process of prototyping a software upgrade method which works over OBD-II on any 360! This would make it a LOT easier for many people to do this upgrade.
[emoji106] big thumbs up..... Any joy with compatible hardware that doesn’t carry the F tax? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Not yet... Tried 4 different variants so far. I think its because these ECU's also have a Internal ROM (Read Only Memory) section with some pre-baked rom routines in them. If these baked in to the ECU rom routines don't match up with the function calls the flash expects to be there it crashes the running software. From all the research and information I have at the moment this may only be a problem for ASR (Anti Slip Reduction) features since apparently the 360 Challenge cars had a lot of features disabled I know of a challenge car running with an Alfa ecu working on that however all isn't lost. If I can isolate the broken actual function which calls the internal rom I should be able to either backup the internal rom function and relocate it into the free space in our flash (then patch the firmware to call it from firmware and not rom!). In the Ferrari use case I think there should be enough free space to do this but obviously this reduces the amount of free space available for other things so and Internal rom was cheaper than Flash in the era this was produced. Hope this makes sense.. These are the options I am thinking most people will be interested in; 1. Factory WFS Immobilizer On/Off 2. Larger Air Flow Meters from CS/F430/599 On/Off (off means stock 360 Modena ones fitted) 3. CS Maps On/Off (off means stock 360 Modena ones used as default) 4. CS Tuned Maps On/Off (off means stock 360 Modena ones used as default) 6. Catalyzer Secondary O2 Sensors Enabled/Disabled (disabled means no emissions CEL for sports cats or cat delete pipes) 7. Catalyzer Temperature Probe Sensing Enabled/Disabled (disabled means cat ecu's no longer used can can be removed, no SLOW DOWN light ever) 8. Throttle Sensitivity (A=Stock Modena, B=Stock CS, C=Challenge Car A, D=Challenge Car B, E=Tuned) 9. Fuel Injector Scaling (A=Stock Modena/CS @ Stock Fuel Pressure, B=Stock Modena/CS @ Max Fuel Pressure, C=Stock F430 in a 360, D=650hp+ Supercharger/Turbo Spec) 10. Exhaust Valves (A=Always Off, B=Always On, C=@ 3000rpm or 80%+ Throttle, D=@ 4000rpm or 80%+ Throttle, E=@ 5000rpm or 80%+ Throttle) 11. Cold Start Air Injection (A=On [US Spec Cars only], B=Off) 12. Gearbox [6Spd or F1] On point 12. I've discovered that the firmware itself is identical between H-gate and F1 but just a few variables are changed to 'convert' it between F1 and 6spd. This means if you want to do a 6spd manual conversion on either a Challenge Stradale or regular 360 Modena or Spider its easy now once you've dumped your firmware to be able to convert the software either way! This makes the task of swapping back and forth much easier since you don't have the problem of finding some who can do this for you... Its internal development right now but looks possible even to convert a 360 Challenge car to a 6 speed manual!
This level rd is usually reserved for mass produced autos. Thanks for bringing us these options. I’ve always thought it’s the elec and software that makes cars obsolete... fortunately the 360 is more analog than the later variants.
Trev, A quick question. If you disable the O2 sensors and temp probes, will the emission monitors get “set” for inspections, or will the monitors never get “completed”?
Its not disabling the primary O2 sensors, it's the secondary ones used to check catalyst efficiency which trigger CEL for instance when you fit sports cats or test pipes which may upset the calibration done at factory. I am not really very familiar with the monitoring as I don't live in us and never had to do this but I have read about it and seen these features in the firmware. Ferrari actually sell (for non USA) ignition ECUs for 360's (road not challenge cars) with no catalyzes fitted so indeed it is even possible to buy these ignition ECU versions from Ferrari themselves for some geographic regions. On US cars i will provide access to calibration tables/values to allow anyone to adjust these settings. I think In some states and countries you shouldn't be touching these but for others I'm told to believe it's legally fine. I am not going to condone bypassing emissions laws (!) it's absoutely up to you to use these tools appropriately for your local laws. Please use responsibly!
you will want the rear 02's to not just be turned off.. but to show ready..... if you can. Some states allow 1 or more readiness to be incomplete... and some require all to be ready. Some software will force a ready when reading OBDII... from my understanding.
Well more good news on the opening up of the 360 ECU's front... A full immobilizer delete has now been tested and completed on a 360 Challenge Race Car!! It was successfully defeated yesterday during shake down testing, for the first time anywhere in the world on a 360 Challenge racing car. I wasn't even aware that the 360Ch cars actually came with the same 2 immobilizer boxes as the road cars. The only differences being there is NO key or keyfob on a race car so it didn't really serve any purpose other than to make the cars more unreliable and more expensive to fix when the inevitable problems with the dreaded immobilizer started. Poor Rob has been chasing down random half bank starting and various weather related immobilizer failures on his race car and to say he's over the moon about this is an understatement... We had a few puzzling moments when only one bank fired up during testing only to discover the car was out of fuel
Forgot to mention on the 360Ch cars since there are no wiring things to do at all, the starter motor isn't relay activated so you simply just swap the ecu's over and the boxes can be just unplugged and put away.
Wow Trev, you Da Man.... You were able to pull the curtain back and expose the inner workings. Very well done!!!!
do you do the reflashing of the ecu for people and how much do u do it for and what do you need to do it
