Do we need Vettel for two more years?

Right. Sorry, JStone414, but this has been discussed quite thoroughly. No one likes the result, but it was a bit of a fluke.

Bring on Spa!

 

Exactly. I defy anyone that claims it was red mist, pressure or going to fast to watch the onboard. He was going so bloody slowly. You see him turn in and the car goes straight. Definitely not driver error.

 

An act of God

 

I thought the belief was some break harvesting or bias set poorly or wrong catching him out. This would be driver error however one that isn’t actually about driving. I really think there is way too much junk on the wheels to mess with.

 

Passing on Ricci was a stupid move.

 

Lol ok.

 

Ferrari were never interested in two No.1 drivers. Nothings changed.

It's all on Vettel.

 

God? LOL! I think it's just a motor racing occurrence. It gives us something to over-analyze through August.

 

I'd say poor luck

 

May be combination of things. **** happens. First to arrive on scene...really luck of the draw.

Fully agree that there's way too much **** on these cars. Not just brake bias, but regen braking settings, engine braking and so on...

 

Then bring in Kvyat, and Grojean as a reserve. Those two will definitely cause Mercedes dnfs.

 

"It's an act of God", it's how us Brits used to describe something we couldn't explain.


As for luck, there is just no such thing in motor racing, IMO.

 

Brain fart.

 

More like it, IMO.

Vettel isn't the first race leader to blew it spectacularly.

 

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We'll see. I say that Ricciardo leaving Red Bull was el stupido . . . .

 

We will see.
I think that having to put up with Horner, Verstappen and Marko must be quite frustrating at time.
So I am not surprised that Ricciardo looked for new pasture.
Let's be fair, Red Bull would never have allowed him to have a fair crack at the title.
Max is the blue eyes boy now.
So what's the point to just play tail-gunner for the Dutchman?
Renault may improve, as expected, and at least there he will be recognised as a 7-time GPO winner, and given a chance.

 

Vettel has made more mistakes with Ferrari than he ever made with Red Bull. I think he's quickly approaching his "sell by" date.

 

He's better than both their drivers. A laughably stupid mistake passing him up. But this is Ferrari we are talking about.

 

Mental fatigue ?

 

Corporate culture?

 

Sometimes being in first place means that you're first to come across trouble...

 

He's good enough for the forseeable future. Do I think he could be better? Yes. Do I think thoughts like this would be drawn opun had he not slid off the track? That I think is why these thoughts are happening. Though I can't fault him when pit wall has been giving him and Kimi awkward and not great (to us the viewers in hindsight) strategies for him to work with in a quite few races this season. And him defending them means he saw other things that viewers like us didn't know happening, or he's trying to manage the moral. Take you pick at least he's sticking to the team and not giving them more pressure than it is in this sport unlike Alonso.

 

To suggest that Vettel isn’t quick is very very far from the mark, he is a four time world champion that earns his titles being a reliable pair of very very fast hands driving away at the front and smashing lap records, in a car that was the class of the field of course, but that was fallable at various times over their dominance. The Mercedes for four years had up to a second a lap they could just turn on at will over the entire field, and technical regulations that prevented ANY possibility of being caught. It was a two car championship for four whole years. No one here says elton isn’t fast, but he is mentally frail, and has only ever performed when he has the car under him to win. In the Mercedes, with the whole team centred around him and it’s advantage, he managed to win titles - if he hadn’t, there’d be something wrong- but Rosberg kept him well within sight, and also gave him a bloody good hiding one year, in the same car yet no one claims Rosberg is a tenth of the driver elton is.... how come elton didn’t win every single race if he’s that good?

Vettel has had two frustrating seasons with ferrari where he had no hope of winning, and at many circuits, we were third best and struggling to beat the midfield rubbish, I’d suggest that he is struggling to contain his emotion because he knows he now has the opportunity to win (the car is not THE best yet, it is faster at some circuits in some conditions, the Mercedes is still the best in others, but the team strategists seemingly struggle to work out ‘win from a position of strength’ strategies as they are stuck in a mindset of damage limitation.

Kimi is proving faster than he has for a long time, the car is coming back to him, and he is genuinely able to fight with Mercedes and help Vettel, again, if only our strategists stopped looking backwards all the time and giving him strategies to just ‘finish the race, who cares, Vettel is our only priority’.

If our team can use the summer to revamp their book on winning then sebs urgence and overdriving might cure any ills immediately, and we will have one very powerful former champion performing somewhere near his best if he hasn’t got to second guess his own team all the time, and Kimi will benefit from knowing that while he is always going to be Ferrari’s second man, he is a fully supported second driver with the strategies to potentially win when needed, and come in on the gearbox of Seb when the number one car suffers no issues

Elton has shown his own mental frailty plenty during this season already, the conspiracy theories about crashes, his doubting of the team, popping at commentators on sky (who happen to cheerlead him making most of us sick 100% of the time, yet for elton, they hate him and want him to lose? ****), the radio messages of doom when he is in less than second place, asking about damage limitation and demanding the team explain themselves when he really should be concentrating on getting his foot down. If I were a team manager, my hatred of the imbecile aside, I’d pick Vettel, ricciardo or Alonso over him every time, because whatever happens, they give 110% whatever their position in the race, and politically, the ******** that comes with elton far outweighs the marketability to faux gangstas and millennials who, to be fair, either as gangstas, want their cars with 26inch spinning wheel caps, or millennials, who want them powered by fairy farts and whale tears

 

No luck in motorracing? I very much disagree. Hakkkinen's engine expiring on the last lap in Barcelona. Schumacher's clutch cooking when someone else stalled in Suzuka. Massa's engine in Hungary 2008, 2 laps from the end...

And that's just 3 instances. Plenty of cases of oil on the track. Wings suddenly breaking. And so on.