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360 Second Gear Issues

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  1. mrbon007

    mrbon007 Rookie

    Apr 17, 2017
    44
    London
    It seems my 360 will not go into 2nd when attempting at high rpm (6000+)!

    It is literally like there is a block in the way - the lever will slide into gear when the revs drop though.

    Changing at lower rpm is absolutely perfect, as are all the other gears.

    The car has a new clutch, new bearing, new gearbox oil, and has had the gear linkage removed and greased / aligned etc.

    So what else could it be?! Really ruins the enjoyment of the car!

    Anybody had a situation like this before?
     
  2. dreichman

    dreichman Formula Junior

    Sep 9, 2011
    425
    Denver, CO
    Yes, I had the same situation. Turns out mine had a wet clutch. Oil had leaked out of the end of the crank... My clutch only had a few hundred miles on it.
     
  3. flash32

    flash32 F1 Veteran

    Aug 22, 2008
    5,686
    Central NJ
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    Dominick
    I would have thought wrong oil type ..causing sync to not work properly, bad adjustment on linkage, or mounts worn out and causing misalignment

    When you depress clutch at the higher rpm ..does the rpm immediately fall ?

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  4. dreichman

    dreichman Formula Junior

    Sep 9, 2011
    425
    Denver, CO
    Mine was exactly as stated above. Once the RPM’s dropped a little then it would complete the shift. Once the oil leak was fixed and a new clutch installed the problem was fixed. Can’t be sure that the same thing is going on with the OP’s car. That’s just what turned out to be the problem with my car.
     
  5. one4torque

    one4torque F1 Veteran
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    May 20, 2018
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    Mine would not go into 2nd gear..... changed the shifter bushing to hill eng al replacment and all good. GL.
     
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  6. Gated

    Gated Formula 3

    Dec 21, 2009
    1,117
    Mine did this. Tech noted 2nd gear synchro issue.
     
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  7. mrbon007

    mrbon007 Rookie

    Apr 17, 2017
    44
    London
    Mine did actually have the same oil leak, however the seal has been replaced and the clutch is new but still the issue is present :(
     
  8. mrbon007

    mrbon007 Rookie

    Apr 17, 2017
    44
    London
    Apparently my car also has this bushing - do you know how I can identify if it genuinely does or not? Or are the bushings not visible?
     
  9. Ricambi America

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    The original ones are plastic; the revised Hill Engineering version is aluminum.
     
  10. mrbon007

    mrbon007 Rookie

    Apr 17, 2017
    44
    London
    Just had a quick drive and noticed that when the gear lever is in a neutral position there is left - right play of around 1cm before you need to put pressure on the lever to move towards a gear...

    Can anyone confirm if this is normal? I am assuming that it isn’t which leads me to believe the shifter bushing is worn?!
     
  11. THINKFAST

    THINKFAST Karting

    Jan 13, 2011
    190
    Earth, mostly ...
    My shifter has about the same play... the shifter sits in line with 4th / 5th gate while it sits with no pressure applied to it. I have no issues with it going into any gear.
     
  12. basscase415

    basscase415 Karting

    Jun 10, 2017
    87
    CA
    There should be no play at all.

    I had maybe 3mm of total play before I replaced mine-- so I think 1cm is a lot.

    Replaced my bushing and now there is no play whatsoever. It immediately made shifting a lot more precise and less janky. I can only imagine how much worse shifting might be with 1cm of play.
     
  13. ItalGerBrit

    ItalGerBrit Formula Junior

    Mar 15, 2016
    817
    S La
    Might be a worn motor or trans mount as well but shifter bushing is the first thing to check. All it takes is a hairline crack to cause troubles like yours. Very common problem.
     
  14. mrbon007

    mrbon007 Rookie

    Apr 17, 2017
    44
    London
    Ok i am going to get a new one and see how it changes things!
     
  15. mrbon007

    mrbon007 Rookie

    Apr 17, 2017
    44
    London
    Looks like it’s the shifter bushing after all o_O
     

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  16. cgfen

    cgfen Formula Junior

    Jun 1, 2015
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    vista ca
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  18. one4torque

    one4torque F1 Veteran
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    May 20, 2018
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    My stock plastic shifter bushing was not cracked or visibly broken... it only had the slightest wear. And to my joy the hill shifter bushing solved my sometimes impossible shifting into 1st and 2nd.

    This mechanism does not allow for any slop.

    My shifter had zero play after the repair the spring put the shifter in preload.
     
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  19. G. Pepper

    G. Pepper Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Mar 15, 2012
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    The air horn kit and the Hill shifter bushing are on my list for this fall's resto work.
     
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  20. mrbon007

    mrbon007 Rookie

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