FF transmission problems? I am hearing this is an issue...

Interesting post, 4th. Does this imply that the T places more stress on the transmission, on average, than the NA Calis?
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I would say yes because force induction engine almost always puts out more torque than a similarly displaced NA unit.

 

I was told by a Ferrari tech who is certified to work on the DCT that earlier versions of the transmission (at least on the California) had a problem with some internal plastic clips (similar to zip-ties) used to route the wiring that were not up to the heat conditions inside the gearbox, they would become brittle and could abrade the wiring, causing shorts to the speed sensor. Those clips were updated at some point, so later transmissions seem to be more reliable, but others may know more than I do. He indicated that I should not be concerned with my 2013. Steve down in Dallas posted a photo of the internals that shows the clips. Whether this issue is unique to Ferrari's application as opposed to Mercedes et. al. ... no idea, or if there is better cooling in the other applications aside from the California.

 

Can the plastic clips in the older transmissions be upgraded to use the updated clips? Seems prudent to do as a preventative maintenance item; whether someone will do it is another question.

 

I would guess if they are addressing the speed sensor problem they are already doing that. But the huge cost of replacing the inexpensive speed sensor is the labor disassembling the transmission to access it, so it does not really make sense as preventative maintenance.

 

I had an early NA California that had transmission problems at 20.000 Km. The diagnose was a faulty speed sensor and the repair was done under the existing extended warranty. In case it might be of interest to anyone I publish some pictures I took during the repair process.
Picture 1) Shows the DCT still in place after all the bottom panels and the exhaust were removed. I presume the parking brake cables were also removed.
Picture 2) Shows the bottom of the car after the DCT was removed.
Picture 3) To remove the DCT the back axle had to come out on top of a trolley and before that could be done the rear brakes disks and all the oil tubs had to be removed.
Picture 4) The DCT after being removed and ready to be opened and repaired .


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Thanks for putting up those pictures. It's hard to imagine something as simple as zip-ties is the main culprits to the problem.

 

interestingly enough I had read this thread last week and took my 2011 FF (40k km 25k miles) to the dealer for annual maintenance... 50 min after I dropped the car off the Service Manager rang me back and asked if I had seen the Transmission light on at any time (I had not) as the computer clearly identified the issue with the speed sensor mentioned above. The service manager mentioned the sensor (and/or clips) are the cheap part but they need at least 35 hours labour to basically do what can be seen in the photos posted by MDEL. I have religiously renewed the Power extended warranty every year and the service manager was trying to confirm that this was going to be covered.... He also mentioned they have had a number of these issues with 2011 and 2012 FFs but very few on the newer ones. Will keep the group posted.

 

35 hours at $205-240 an hour is going to be almost $8,500 in labor alone....

 

No more than 2 years extended warranty though plus no limits to how many claims you make which begs the question; put 4k in an account every year religiously and if nothing goes wrong spend it on options on the next one .....or the warranty?

 

Buying insurance and warranty is paying someone to take the risk.

 

2014 FF I was quoted 5700 for one year of warranty. Seems high but....

 

Why not go to an independent?


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None of the independents have access to the factory diagnostic computer which is pretty much a must in order to diagnose a DCT isssue, as well as all of the special tools required to rebuild a DCT.

If I was in the market for an FF, I would either get one with a warranty or set aside $30k to cover any DCT or PTU issues that the car may have.

 

With all those cars in post #21 having the same DCT, I wonder what's the reason it's only affecting the FF.

 

quick update as promised. Ferrari HQ approved the work same day and the Scuderia dealer has started working on it this week. I am supposed to be getting some photos ref the rebuild... if they materialize will post.
in Europe the warranty extension is about 4-5k Euro depending on whether you have claimed or not in previous year, I hear the comments from some Fchat members regarding paying every year - each to his own, for me it takes risk away so peace of mind and will make it easier to sell on in a year.

 

It doesn't affect just the FF's. All of the Ferraris with DCT: Calfornia/T, 458 and F12 are all having the same DCT issues.

 

P1 in stamford has one. Have the car shipped there for 145 an hour


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How did you come to that conclusion, that "...it's only affecting the FF."??? Did you read the posts in this thread properly?

For instance, you had replied to MDEL who in post 31 of this thread had written "...I had an early NA California that had transmission problems at 20.000 Km..."

FWIW, this 2015 blog documents similar DCT problems affecting the AMG SLS.

 

I’m trying to help a friend out he as a 2012 Ferrari FF and he has a transmission speed sensor problem. My question is that if anybody knows where those sensors are located.
Thank you

 

Does anyone have a sense how much cheaper it is to go with independent to fix ff engine, transmission and ptu? Just trying to figure out how much to put in piggy bank if I buy a FF.

 

Had 2 repairs on my transmission
First time a year ago it lost oil and they replaced something
Second time this year, the car often did no longer want to shift into 7th gear at high revs (no issues at lower revs, say below 5k rpm)

 

what is the mileage and year of your car?

 

Lots of good information in this thread for prospective ff buyers, what is the gtc4lusso using for the tranny, all I was able to find was 7 speed dct transmission and below

https://www.scuderiacarparts.com/part/263868/ferrari/321441/compl-dct-gearbox.html

 

If the trans goes on a car out of warranty with say less than 30k, wouldnt Ferrari take some responsibility?