Unlimited numbers ? Why ?

Confirmed not numbered but also will be produced in smallish quantities to maintain exclisivity of sorts.

 

Hmmm. You could try my solution. Buy the car and the stock. You'll make more money if they make more cars, or have a more exclusive car if they make fewer. Win/win.

 

Simple, because of $$$$. For better or worse, Ferrari post IPO have different objectives. However I do believe there will be another LE drop top variant of the 488 (Targa) before retiring it. I believe the same should happen with the 812, albeit an LE and then an ultra exclusive LE.

This of course, is purely speculation

 

Because they don't have long enough time to build many of them to even be a concern before the 488 is replaced.

 

Then to maimtain even more exclusivity, why not do a limited numbered run of the 488 PS similar to the 458 SA, then even a smaller numbered run of the Targa (like the 599 SA Aperta) if if is produced.

 

You guys have no idea how many they build. It's smoke and mirrors.

 

My take is that they will build many more variants at different price points off each platform.
I think they have done pretty vigorous customer analysis and will seek to place customers in groups for certain types of car.
Hopefully regular buyers should get more chance of buying the cars they want and the secondary market will not command enormous premiums if I am right.

 

Definitely a $$ decision. They, Ferrari Corporate (FNA included), don’t get a share in the inflated prices of the aftermarket flip (outside of dealer commissions). There is no upside for them in LE if non-flagship models that would outweigh production numbers. Porsche and Lamborghini have demonstrated that myth to be false consistently lately.

I think we’ll see less and less LE non-flagships and more of a “undefined limited production”, which could be said about any car quite honestly.

I love the “buy the car and stock” example. 100% deploying that.

 

You did not take delivery of your 70th Anni 488?

 

The 488 Pista is undeniably more special than the 488. Ferrari is not limiting production but there is less time for production so a smaller number of Pista will be sold compared to 488s. But certainly more than the 458 Speciale which was limited to 500.

As far as collectibility, if all other important parameters about desirably are comparable, a model made in fewer numbers is more collectible.

So in my mind, in terms of collectibility 458 Speciale > 488 Pista

But if people feel the Pista is more special than the Speciale, well that would bring an interesting dimension to the conversation

 

I do not know where you got the information that the Speciale was limited to 500 - estimated production numbers are between 2500 and 3000.
The Speciale Aperta was claimed to be limited to 499, although each car was not numbered so it's actually impossible to verify.
Anyway, there is an order of magnitude difference between the production numbers of the Speciale and Speciale Aperta, which is reflected in the secondary market - a Speciale Aperta selling for about twice the price of a Speciale (whereas the initial list price difference was similar to the difference between Italia and Spider).

 

Sorry about my misinformation about the Speciale production numbers.

If there were as many as 2500-3000 Speciale produced then the Pista production might be pretty close to the same!

As far as the Speciale Aperta compared to the Pista Aperta, it could also be a very close race.

In the end, If the actual numbers are very similar, which car will appreciate more over its slightly less track-focused sibling?

 

Yes and no. The appreciation in these cars helps them sell the more standard production cars. So if they mess this up, it will have echoes all along their sales. I am sure they are keenly aware of this.

Ferrari is still very much a nice business. All it takes is a very small % of people who are passionate for them to have a lucrative business. I know many millennials and members of Gen Z who are really into cars. Certainly the things you mention are real issues, but I think it should be more worrying for more traditional sports cars. I think Ferrari stands apart and that will continue. In a way the increasing specialization might end up benefitting Ferrari even more.

 

Not really.......
Speciale Aperta is a Limited Edition whilst Pista Spider is not......my guess is that there will be 3x more Pista Spider's than SA's. The Limited Edition version of the 488 is still TBA.

 

they will produce the Pista Spider in as many units they can (as they will do with Pista coupè): the only limit is time, as sooner or later they will have to replace the 488 model. That will "limit" the production…

I think the only numbered production there will be in the Ferrari future (except some special paint units, as the Pilota) will be the hypercars with more than 1 M Usd as sticker price: they want money.

ciao

 

And I suspect (even though to me it does not make sense) that they will adjust the proportion of Pista / Pista Spider according to demand, which may lead to get a 50/50 spread similar to the 488 GTB / Spider.
The goal is to maximise the money Ferrari will get, not the profit some customers may make on resale.

 

If every car made in the last 20 years is a "special edition" then none are "special edition". They're all melting together. Look at all the new "special edition" Porsches that went across the auction block last weekend. You can put all the "special edition" Porshces and Ferraris in the same group. I think the manufacturers are laughing all the way to the bank.

My 16 year old son and all his friends love my cars. They all have jeeps that they mod and fiddle with. Jeep's are "the gateway drug". Nobody is losing interest in cars. That's Commie nonsense.

 

Real world statistics for gen z show this to be incorrect.
Small samples will seem to show otherwise but the data doesn’t lie.

 

You only need small samples for continuity of low volume/high margin marques.

 

The data doesn't lie? That's a complete joke. I can make statistical data prove whatever I want. Take the polling data for the 2016 Presidential Election for example

I do believe we are at record valuations for collectible cars right now right?