For sale : new fuseboards motherboards for models : TR, 512 TR (old and new model boards), 328, all mondials, F40 (Normal and LM), 288GTO, 550, 456M, 400i and 412. Fabricated with bigger connectors for relais, fuses and where wires are connected. Old model boards are included the goldcolored female connectors to put on the wires. For those boards the white plastic plugs have to be cut a but befores they can be pushed over the wires. The models 550, 512 TR and 456M are with higher connectors where the wires are put. Those are ready to get the colored plugs with wires without modification. On image 1 a model mondial QV : upper the original board lower my new board. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image 2 model F40 Image Unavailable, Please Login Image 3 550 board (notice the longer pins for the wires) Image Unavailable, Please Login You can contact me directly [email protected], or via http://www.redbaycars.com/ or start conversation. Guido
I motiver that the fusebox and some of the relays on my 550 was very hot this summer. A few times, obe cylinders bank went dead. After massaging a relay on the fusebox (for the ecu of one of the banks), the car worked like it should. Is this a sign that the fusebox is worn out? Why does people change their fuse boxes? Thanks
The mean problem with 550,456 and 512 TR boards are the pins where the wire are connected. Those are to short and the female connectors with wires are only touching the pins on 2 mm. Also in time the crappy plastic layers with copper circuits due the heat, the plastic becomes hard and deformes. The use of W40 and other such products on these boards results in even greater problems.....dissolving the plastic layers. Solder joints come loose and this produces even more heat. The soldering points are loosened by frequent maneuvering of relais, fuses and wires. There starts a process of electric problems. Guido
This looks like a cool product. I had crappy solder joints on my fuse board when I got the car. Car would not start when the transporter delivered the car. Here's the thread about the solder joint repair. https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/electrical-issue-after-550-transported-from-fl-to-ca.524936/ FBB made one of these out of wiring because the original was so bad.
Hi Guido, I assume you meant "thread." Let me add that the availability of a replacement board like this is good news. Even though I fixed the problem on my fuse board, I am leery of something else happening. I even went to the trouble to put in external relays for the cooling fans to remove the 30A load from the fuse board.
Yes I meaned "thread"...but when speaking seis verschillende idiomas sometimes ein buchstabe peut ëtre mal colocado ... Still in stock for the moment : 2x TR boards, 1x Mondial 8 board, 1x mondial t board, 3x 400i and 412 boards, 1x 328 board, 1x QV board (but probably sold...) 1x 550 board, 2x 456M boards (1 original in good shape and 1 reproduction) After 15 october I'm staying at an other continent for 7 months...so you have to order before that date or wait until may 2019... Guido
For all the boards that are installed you can put an improvement by putting rubber rings around the fuseconnectors... Image Unavailable, Please Login For this you can use a bicycle inner tube and cut the rubber in the right sizes, glue the 2 ends together with rubber glue. I dont recommend the use of shrink tubes...they can force the 2 connectors together or even break the solder points. Guido
I'm using 2 mm thick special hard board for electronics/electrics. What do you mean with copper weight ? Total weight of the complet board is less then 1 kg. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Guido
I was questioning the actual laminate material for example is it FR4? The picture you posted does not look like a fiberglass laminate, but rather a phenolic material. I have never heard of the term "special hard board" , could you explain or provide specifications? Also copper weight meaning how many oz of copper thickness 1/2 oz? 1 oz? 2oz? Sent from my BBA100-1 using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Could you also post a picture of the bottom soldered side? Sent from my BBA100-1 using FerrariChat.com mobile app
It is phenolic material used for electronics devices : Hard paper with special request of electric isolation residue. PLATEN BRUIN PLAQUES BRUN SHEETS BROWN Volgens / suivant / according to: DIN EN 60893 / DIN 7735 Toleranties / Tolérances / Tolerances: s: +/- 10% L, B : + 0/-50 mm Speciale uitvoeringen en andere diktes op aanvraag Exécutions speciales et autres épaisseurs sur demande Special types and other thickness on request. Wires I use are pvc isolated 2.5 mm2 full copper. Used in housing and industrial electric works. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login After each board is tested that the circuits are 100% like the OEM boards, that there are no loose connectors or short circuits, the wires get a plastic vernis protection spray so no corrosion is possible on the solder points. Those boards can always be repaired if there should be a problem. The OEM boards are impossible to repair without doing more harm to the plastic layers and solder points. The connectors for relais are handmade (not available on the marked) and have 2 solder pins of 2.5 mm2 instead of the original with only 1 pin of 1.2 mm2. The connectors for fuses have also 2 solder pins. The connectors for the wire connections have also 2 bigger pins than the original ones. Guido Image Unavailable, Please Login
Wow! I appreciate the work you have done. A Valliant effort! Please take no offense, however I would not trust that in my car. There are most likely high current and heat passing through the original PCB assembly and phenolic is not automotive grade in any situation. Phenolic does also not possess the environmental requirement for temperature and humidity in automotive use. I am certified by IPC PCB designer with over 30 years of experience in Automotive, Appliance and Aerospace industries.
??? I don't know what's playing here, but I can confirm that I and many of my fellow Ferrari friends all over the world have installed Guido's fusebox boards with success since 2008 and we can all confirm that once installed all electrical components work much better than before.
Sorry I'm not playing anythung. If this product has been used with success then I apologize for my remarks. I thought that perhaps it was a new product. As I said I have over 30 years of design and manufacturing experience but I would not call that a printed circuit board by definition , more like a prototype. The automotive industry which I am familiar with extensively has certain standards and any use of phenolic material does not meet the standard. Phenolic material contains paper and epoxy which is flammable,and also capable of absorbing moisture. That is why it is not used and materials such as FR4 are used which are made with fiberglass and epoxy. Sent from my BBA100-1 using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Lets see what we have here ! You are telling us that the Cavis engineers (who produced the original OEM boards), Ferrari engineers, other engineers that do the research about sheet material all over the world (almost all cars from 40 years and more, have sheets made with this material), the product-engineer from the multinational who delivers my sheets.... they all dont know their job. Humm..... The original sheets also are made of the same material as the ones I use (only my sheets are from a more recent formula and a much better quality then OEM). This is a picture that I toke last year of my own prototype board that is in my car since 2007. It has no marks of use at all and looks identical like when I maked it. Image Unavailable, Please Login Of course I could have used a more advanced over-engineered sheet made of a product with an exotic chemical name ...and way more expensive then the ones I use. But for the purpose, low voltage and amperage, my sheets are perfect for the job. There are 89 boards installed for the moment (number 90 and 91 are on their way to Australia) and I dont have received any reports of those problems you are mentioning. I am always suspicious when a specialist requires his academic and professional skills to be right. I hope that you have no other intentions than informative ones. Like maybe you are working for the competition or are a member of the entourage of these so-called board makers. You did make my day...you have conjured me a smile on my face! Guido
Can you post a picture of the back side of the OEM board? It has individual wires soldered to it? FR4 is not an exotic chemical name. It is a standard known all over the world . If you want exotic then you would be talking about other substrates designed for high speed applications using things like Teflon or ceramic substrates. I am glad that you have 99 boards installed with success. In my own experience 99 boards was a small pilot run. Although I have not made a PCB with wires soldered to the back. A PCB means printed circuit. You have no copper on your board just holes with some terminals pressed in. I honestly though this was a joke when you didn't know the copper weight of the material. Now I know why. There is no copper. The boards I have designed have been used in volumes of over 150,000 units per year in some instances for several years. The last thing that could be allowed after extensive testing is to shut down a production line at a company like Ford costing in excess of $100,000 per hour as a penalty for your product shutting it down.
Give it a rest. Belittling someones proven and valuable contribution to the community is the reason good people leave these forums and community. That doesn't help anyone.
I apologize to you Guido if I belittled you. I was merely trying to point out that there are better materials to use that could possibly avoid a potential problem.
No problem, Domenic....dont take it the bad way. I did ask the product engineer for better materials also. He did not think the extra price outweighed the benefit. There are no reports of problems with the sheets throughout history. There are problems with the soldering points, heat building due to bad contacts and the aging of the plastic layers. So we should not waste time on material selection of the sheets, rather solve the real problems. I did this through larger connectors of relays, fuses and wire connections. Also the larger and double solder points are an extra advantage. The solder points are not only more solid, the connectors are also individually mechanically attached to the board by folding the solder pins. When the relays or fuses are being manipulated, the solder tip is not overloaded that way. Guido
