FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO DE MEXICO 2018 GRAND PRIX: RACE-DAY ***SPOILERS***

Still. ....

 

Ire eyes?

 

Straight forward to me, no holes in rear wheel spacers = poor Mercedes performance in the states and Mexico.

 

Congrats to Max for a solid performance.

Congrats to Hamilton for tying the record with Fangio.

Congrats to Stroll for beating his team mate once again.

 

No offence but stop hating on Hamilton

 

part of the skill of being an F! champion is to be able to deal with all the issues surrounding you.
vettel seems not to be able to do so.
and, he does stupid stuff. think about the races this year, stack up the stupid self inflicted errors and actions, vs the moments of brilliance, and i think you will find that his errors outweigh his brilliance at about 5:1.

 

Sorry, but that is massive revisionist history. The original Group C era from 1982 though the late 80's was some of the best and most popular racing ever. There was tremendous spectator and factory interest, much more so than today. Plus a private team could buy a Porsche 956/962 from the factory and actually win. Cars were pushing 250mph on the old Mulsanne straight. IT was awesome. Viewership was threatening to close in on F1, which was at the height of the Senna/Prost/Mansell era so doing really well itself. In one of those famous WTF moments the FIA decided to move to a common 3.5L NA engine the same as F1 which promptly killed Group C racing.

In F1 turbo's were banned as they were terrified of the increasing speed and costs. With 1,500hp one lap quali motors and race engines pushing 1,000 hp. Engines getting swapped out 2-3-4 times per weekend. F1 went to the 3.5L NA engines to slow down the cars.

The 80's was the last golden age of motorsport in Group C, IMSA, F1, F3000, WRC etc. Sorry, But I think you are way off.

 

A great season for LCH and a massively deserved win for him and Mercedes. I know it's popular to hate the guy around here, but come on, he's fought hard and fair, hasn't been involved in any on track dramas or made mistakes. This should have, could have been Ferrari and Seb's year, but Seb and to a lesser extent the team threw away the advantage of having the better car for a large part of the season. I defended Seb when he was clocking up those four in a row WDC's over at RB, but this year I"ve really lost a lot of respect for him. Every one can, does and has made mistakes, it's inevitable, but honestly Seb's just made too many. I would have to go back and count, but many, me included have been very hard on Max for his mistakes, but honestly I think Seb's made more and more serious mistakes than the youngster.

It's also very disingenuous to complain about Mercedes cheating. Everything they've done has been deemed legal per the FIA, and please don't try and complain that the FIA are favoring them, it's simply not true unless you want to seriously pic and chose your facts. Finally don't forget the years and years that the standing joke was that FIA stood for Ferrari International Assistance. Finally even the FIA has said their wheels are legal, but just to make sure there's no possible comeback they stopped using them anyway, even after having been approved. Come on, play nice. Admit that both Mercedes and Lewis have done an outstanding job. Let's look forward to LeClerc being the new #1 next year in the Red cars.

 

IMHO it’s 51% Vettel and 49% team.

 

It is ironic that you categorical rule out that the FIA would prefer one team only to close the sentence that the FIA might have preferred Ferrari in the past...does not really add up...
But it is at least a little bit odd that most of the "inovations" of Ferrari were taken from them wheras those of Mercedes were almost all declared legal...in a set of rules that is waxy to say at best this still leaves a bad taste...add the fact that Lewis was about punished for not a single breach of a rule (like parking a car on track to push...)
And looking at the fact that we were told that 2007 was rigged by the FIA it is a joke coming now that the FIA is objectiv all the time...

 

Singhof the Hamilton hate is over the top already. Get a life.

 

q.e.d.... two (three including the "like") and counting....

 

I totally agree with you. I've said it many times before that F1 as a whole would much prefer Lewis as champion. He's a rock star. My wife knows who Lewis Hamilton is, she has no clue who Seb, Max, or Ricciardo are. The quiet German who goes home to his family and isn't heard from again until Barcelona practice is not what they want. They want to see "their" champion hanging out with models and celebrities. They want these people at the races. And since most of those in Hollywood and the modeling industry are really that vapid, they'll happily go to a race if they think it's cool to be seen with Lewis.. They have no idea what F1 even is, but who cares... right? I might get caught on camera.

I'm not saying F1 is in the tank for Lewis and Merc. They certainly did great work and whether you love or hate Lewis, he's a phenomenal driver who takes advantage of everything the team gives him. I don't dislike Lewis at all... but I wouldn't really consider him one of the guys I root for. Still, I don't think you can be honest and say that the FIA does not... or at least in the past, tilted Merc's way. I look at it pretty objectively I think and I just feel that the FIA has a tenancy to put their thumb on the scale in favor of Mercedes and Lewis when there's a question.

Either way, Ferrari had more than enough to overcome any such bias this year. They failed as a team. Seb made some mistakes which only exacerbated a season in decline. Mercedes always finish strong in this new era. Ferrari too often looked like the Keystone cops and snatched defeat from the hands of victory. I also wonder if they wouldn't have absolutely destroyed Kimi's early season races with ridiculous strategy calls and other blunders during the race and qually... would they have taken the Constructors trophy?

 

I've been preaching this for years. F1 should be about racing, not managing.

 

.... calling it as YOU see it

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Ricciardo's clutch bearing broke, the Renault engine is not the culprit here.

 

AdRian: it's Leclerc, not LeClerc.

 

When and by whom?

 

Like here: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/the-lewis-elton-hamilton-sucks-thread.551068/page-128#post-146215363
And this is not the only time this came up...

 

Mercedes did NOT use the "limited illegality" rear rims at the Mexican GP even though the FIA and stewards deemed them [cough] "legal."

Charlie to hold a technical meeting before Brazil regarding MB rear rims & spacers and the negligable aerodynamic effect of these rims. Should some other team try to build said rims, Charlie wants to make sure that the design of said rims adheres "as close" as possible to said rims and not something different trying to copy these rims.

 

Per Motorsport:
Mercedes still refrained from using the design in Mexico, and Whiting hopes a technical directive will provide further clarity on what is acceptable.

"Everyone knows that we deem it to be legal, that's no secret," he said.

"I don't really know why Ferrari didn't contemplate protesting, but the option is still open to them," he said.

Whiting said he does not plan to make the Mercedes design illegal in the future.

 

No, **** em. I don’t like the FIA bias, and just because you chose to believe there isn’t one, doesn’t mean I’m not allowed to either. The rules and regulations stink of Mercedes, and the lack of sanction to Mercedes and elton in particular in the most ridiculous of circumstances is proof enough that Mercedes are enabled in their cheating by Charlie and the FIA

 

It did not make sense that they chose not to use the rims for fear that Ferrari may protest 'at some point', given that Whiting already indicated he would not make them illegal. It would also seem that Ferrari could do that for the past races they were used in if it's that big a worry.

Maybe their thinking was not to take a chance since there is some uncertainty and they felt they could win the WDC without the rims. I'm guessing there is a little more to it than that though. Whatever the case, their tire were a mess yesterday (as they were for others).

Somehow, Red Bull has the tendency to look really good for one race and make you believe they will be competitive for the following races/season. Then they just revert back to what they were before (second-level competition)