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Help improve shifting in F1 F430?

Discussion in '360/430' started by Eric C, Jan 23, 2017.

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  1. scuderia09

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    First check how much clutch you have left and you may have to tighten up the PIS with a Scanner, maybe your loosing F1 pressure from the F1 pump what year is the F430 if it a 2005 you may still have the older F1 pump from a 360 they used in 2005
     
  2. sherpa23

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    I hear what you're saying but to me that is losing both the point and the character of the F430. If you want a dual clutch then don't buy an F430. If, like me, you think the DCT is pretty electronic and refined and loses all of the mechanical feel of shifting and big part of driving, then you probably want an F430.

    To be honest, if the speed and efficiency of shifting is all that mattered and feel and character had nothing to do with it, you would not be driving a manual anyways.
     
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    That's 100% fair. :)

    Looks at least form what I can see integration with the bus and display panel is the challenge with the DCT.

    Maybe bump up the supply pressure to the valve body if possible to quicken the shift times? or shorten actuator throw.
    Only way I can think of to make it quicker with that paradigm.
     
  7. mkzhang

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    Manual trans never feel slow to me, but in auto (even when I rented a 458) I can detect a shift lag. Granted the PDK is the only car where I can't perceive a shift lag most of the time.

    I think its due to when you drive paddles you drive like an auto, if you anticipate the shifts and actively engage the shifts ahead of time like a manual its great. By the time most people shift they needed it 2 seconds ago haha, you wouldn't do that in a manual and you shouldn't do it in an F1 either and its perfectly fine :)
     
  8. sherpa23

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    #33 sherpa23, Jan 26, 2017
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    That's a better pump in that it's more robust but it won't result in quicker times.

    And notice that it appears that you need a 2006 on to be able to use it (someone can verify the assembly numbers). The 2005 have the old system and pump. IIRC it's 30 amp compared to 50 amp.

    Still, if you need a new pump it looks like that would be the one to get. It's great to see that there are improved options available.
     
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  10. rdhillon1

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    Hi guys
    You CAN make the f430 shift faster. Just as fast as the Scuderia.
    My mate has done it on his f430. I want to do it on my f430 too but we can’t find the mechanic who did it on my mates car.
    Looked everywhere and no one else has a clue.
     
  11. RedTaxi

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    To the OP, keep driving your 430 in the sound knowledge that as amazing as the DCT shifts in the F12 are, you will soon be bored to death with them and just hit the Auto button. As I have done with every DCT car I have driven after about 10 minutes. I know the performance and efficiency of the 2 are light years apart, but I can't see the point in a street car with shifts you can't even feel. I got a little bored with my F1 and went the other way and got a manual. :)
     
  12. f355spider

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    Oh do tell :)
     
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  13. AC6

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    Trade it in for a 458 should do the trick.
     
  14. rdhillon1

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    Ok so I have finally found the answer I was looking for after all these years. Thought I'd share it here if it helps anyone.
    The newer F430's (2008-2009) shift much faster than the older model F430's (2004-2007). It was an update that Ferrari did from factory in the F430 from 2008 onwards.
    The 08-09 F430 shift faster and have a nice crackle pop sound on downshifts.
    I assume its still shifting slower then the F430 Scuderia but its still a lot faster than the older F430's

    Just bought my second F430 as its my favourite Ferrari model, this time a 2008 model and I couldn't be happier :)
     
  15. Flyingbrick242

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    Anyone know what the production time frame was EXP: Jan/2008
    Thank You.
     
  16. kenneyd

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    There's would likely be a change in tcu/ECU post numbers then, and a simple swap would then result in a improvement.
    There are also companies like specialized ECU repair that have all the bin files and can reprogram modules.
    Any evidence to back your claim up?
    On the 355 side, there's a actual guy who has completely backwards engineered the TCU in order to achieve a better, faster shift in the F1.

    Although this is a resurrected 6-year-old thread, I'm sure there are ways mostly in keeping your system fresh and up-to-date.
    What about a slightly thinner viscosity fluid?
     
  17. f355spider

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    This was covered before, and it was more than an ECU change, there was a gearbox change implemented at the same time, so there is no upgrade path for early F430s.
    Started with 9/2007 with model year 2008 cars. Starting at SN#157672
    A few notes I saved from the thread...

    F1 ECU/TCU changes non-USA, Gearbox Numbers 3270, 3629, 3781
    CFC301 TCU: 'Auto Easy Exit', additional clutch pres. sensor, wiring & Motronic changes.
    Ferrari even posted the faster shift time changes in their documentation...again, you can probably find the posts about it in a thread search.
     
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  18. f355spider

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    From memory..... CS and early F430 are 150 ms, and the late 08/09 F430 are 120 ms.
     
  19. Flea7

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    2004-2007 - 160 millisec. shifts
    2008-2009 - 120 millisec.
    Scuderia - 60 milisec. (at rpm after 3500 and above I believe)

    40 millisec. between the 2 f430 model doesn't equate to "a lot faster than the older F430's" shifts. Most people wouldn't notice the difference. It's 4 one hundreds of a second.

    Mark Stewart is the only person on Fchat that I know of that has upgraded his car to a Scud drivetrain......hardware and software.

    Personally, I like the single clutch shift.....it's very mechanical and affirming. It's very visceral compared to a dual clutch shifts.
     
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