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FORMULA 1 GRANDE PREMIO HEINEKEN DO BRASIL 2018 INTERLAGOS GRAND PRIX: RACE-DAY ***SPOILERS***

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  1. P.Singhof

    P.Singhof F1 Rookie

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    What is actually allowed from pits to car? How did they do that if true (and not just another story told by Mercedes to make the battle sound closer than it is)?
     
  2. Isobel

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    With the push of children into F1, it isnt exactly shocking that the concept of forethought is entirely alien to him.
     
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  3. daytona355

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    Did you realise you summed it up there..... max pushing Ocon, pushing the children in f1? Hehe.
     
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  4. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ


    LOL off all the people to leave Max speechless lol :)
     
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  5. jgonzalesm6

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  6. Nortonious

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    I thought his pace seemed quite a bit off and there were some team radio indications of an issue (plus Arrivabene calling the pass).

    It's a shame. Even with a full-up PU, not sure we could have seen Seb hold the inside line into turn one on those Softs, but would have certainly been a better race.
     
  7. bobzdar

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    Given Raikkonen was on the podium and not far back I don't think it would have been a stretch for Vettel to have won it. But, as has happened multiple times this year, Ferrari figured out a way to blow it. At least it was Max getting taken out for once instead of him ping ponging off everyone else and going on his merry way, just wish it had been a terminal failure. Maybe he'd have learned something as based on his reaction after the race he definitely didn't.
     
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  8. Sempre_gilles

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    Psychological warfare from Hamilton, he is suggesting that Verstappen made a wrong decision and therefore has himself to blame, he tries to cast doubt in Verstappens mind. Remember, Verstappen is the only driver he really fears as he is fully aware that Max is a faster driver in a lesser car. If you can't win because you are a better driver, and lost the immense advantage of the superior car the Mercedes was the previous years, there is only one more trick to play: unsettle your opponents psychologically. Hamilton is fully aware his days are over when the Mercedes is no longer the best car in the field.

    Just imagine what Hamilton would have said in case it was himself leading the race, had the same crash with backmarker Ocon and as a result had lost the race? He would be whining for weeks.
     
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  9. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    More like a statment to the obvious for Max. Personally I think he felt bad that Max lost out. No one needed remind LH that Mercedes were slower given the tire issues. It was an obvious mistake to point out yet Max seemed confused. No conspiracy here. A mistake yielded a loss.
     
  10. jgonzalesm6

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    Seb does'nt like Mercedes caps :D. The kid got his Mercedes cap back. All fun and games of course.







     
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  11. ago car nut

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    LH playing mind games with Max? I don't think it will work with him!
     
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  12. Nortonious

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    Yes, I'm not sure LH is quite the clever mindgame mentalist. I think fresh in his mind was the late-race jousting he had with Max at COTA. LH backed off there because he had more to lose, Max didn't back off in Brazil and it cost him. Pointing this out to Max seems more a LH humblebrag and a gentle jab at Max as well.

    I don't know if he felt bad for Max...maybe so now that the WDC and WCC were all wrapped up, but I know LH really wants every single win he can and set every record he can.
     
  13. DF1

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    A win is a win and a polite professional reminder from a fellow driver is not a conspiracy. Max had no reply was the major result. He needs to think a touch more.
     
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  14. Adrian Thompson

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    So Seb having sensor troubles is OK, but Lewis having an engine on the edge of blowing up is just BS excuses even though we saw a Renault powered RB pass him like he was in neutral? I get it that is a Ferrari site, but some people will go to great lengths to ignore reality.


    Yes, Ocon was at fault for the incident on track. Not for passing, or trying to pass Max, but for screwing it up. He deserved and got a 10 second stop and go. The last penalty I recall that severe was when Ro Gro got a one race ban for his stupid turn one incident at Spa. I have no issue with his penalty. Having said that, he was entitled to pass Max, and I would say was obliged too. He was on fresh SS and was racing other people for position, even though they were on different strategies. Fresh SS's Vs MAx's worn softs, Ocon was bound to be faster. Max had no need other than immaturity and anger issues to even try and defend. They were at totally different points in the race strategy and not racing each other. Ocon needed to make hay while the sun was shining on his new tires. LCH, Kimi, the Honey Badger and even Seb would have just let Ocon go. People call Lewis and Merc lucky. I think they make their own luck as demonstrated in the cool down room. Max would do well to listen to the advice of only the third five time world champion.


    Max has talent, no doubt. Absolute top line A++ talent in the LCH, MS, Prost, Clark, Fangio etc. league. I want to like him, I'm trying hard to like him, but he's making it very very hard to support him. He should be the talent that spends the next decade chasing down LCH and MS's achievement. But I fear he's going to throw away to many races with stupid **** like this. Right now, he has a huge step up on MS and Senna though. I believe his mistakes are just that mistakes. He plays hard, too hard at times, but I don't think he has these issues on purpose. Schumacher had Adelaide 94 (He will only ever be a six, not seven time champion to me for needing to cheat in the final race to win a championship in a known illegal car), Spain 97, Monaco Quali, etc.etc. He had too many deliberate cheats, dangerous moves and downright deliberate acts to ever be considered GOAT despite his massive skills on and off track. Senna likewise. Too dangerous a driver to ever be worthy of GOAT, despite possibly the best ever natural talent. Now, Schumacher was 22 before he made his F1 debut, Senna was 23 or 24. Max is still only 21 at the end of his fourth season. He should have had time to mature, but he's still way young. I know even if I had the skill and money, I was such an immature little prick 21 that I would never have been mature enough to drive. Maybe he'll grow out of this. I hope so, because he should be great, but if he carries on he'll be another 'wasted' talent with too many asterisks against his records.
     
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  15. william

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    I agree with that.
     
  16. Nortonious

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    Yes. Did someone suggest a "conspiracy?" It was good to see Verstappen unable to respond. LH spoke the truth and no one here knows if it was more than simple banter. It doesn't really matter, I'm far more interested in the next race and how Ferrari can garner 1-2, perhaps with Leclerc as 3 (why not dream big).
     
  17. tifosi12

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    Actually Dr. Marko from RB suggests that Ocon did it on purpose.
     
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  18. P.Singhof

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    And Toto Wolff suggested Ferrari did it in the past... so what. They are all the same...
     
  19. william

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    Well, Marko would say that, wouldn't he ?
     
  20. Nortonious

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    Ah yes, I had forgotten that. I thought DF1 was suggesting a "mind-game" conspiracy with LH to Max (and no I don't know what that means...which is why it confused me).

    Regardless, as much as I'm not a fan of LH, those words to Max were absolutely spot on. If Ocon raced Mac just a little harder just because of past history, or Merc vs RBR, or whatever...LHs words still 100% valid.
     
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  21. cairns

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    Hamilton just said the obvious. Psychological mind games is reading way, way too much into it.
     
  22. Sempre_gilles

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    #273 Sempre_gilles, Nov 13, 2018
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    Perhaps you are right and I was reading too much into it. Hamilton saying the obvious is far more likely than an intellectual mind game from his side ;)
     
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  23. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    I just realised ...Ocon thought he was passing Perez ,better take a colour vision test.Pink or silver.:D
     
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    :p:D
     

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