Ferrari 430 or 430 Challenge ccm calipers/rotors

When you say you "clearly want the best braking", what exactly do you mean? Are you planning to track your car regularly? If not, then Carbon Ceramic brakes are more of an aesthetic and/or show-off thing than anything else. For daily street driving, it's hard to go wrong with the steel step because they'll never fade, even during spirite driving, and replacement rotors and pads are reasonably priced. Carbon Ceramic setups are overkill for the street. But if you are aiming at track use, they're hard to beat, and in your situation, both options seem good, so go with the less expensive one.

 

You forgot to mention that steel stops better when cold on the street.

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I would go for the Challenge setup, if the rotors are in good shape.

(CCM's are great for street use, rotors will last "forever" and keep your wheels free from the annoying steelbrake dust).

 

The silver calipers are from a later V12 - same caliper as the 458 but with different pistons. This family of caliper has completely different mounting spacing to the 360/430 and will not fit without an adapter bracket.

The yellow calipers are F430 398mm Scuderia/Challenge calipers and will bolt straight on to a Scuderia hub to suit 398mm discs, or a standard 360/430 hub together with the F430 Challenge spacer studs to suit a 398mm discs.

 

Wend installed my 430 CCM brake kit there is more than just calipers and rotors. I know the brake booster are not the same . I can tell you if the CCM brakes where the same price as steel EVERY one would go with CCM brakes . I think that was my best upgrade I ever did ! No brake dust 38 pounds less rotating mass and unsprung weight car turns in better and they warm up quick . Worth the money and not to mention they look Fantastic and there is no empty space. ZipperKarting good job !! I would go with the new stuff but that is just me
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You welcome ZipperKarting Ferrari owners I think are 50 50 approve and disprove that is why there is Democrats and Republicans. If I had a Enzo or F40 or a CS the super rare Fcar I would agree with no mods, the 360 where massed produced. I do not consider using factory parts as modifying your Fcar you are up grading .. Just my humble opinion modifying to me is like installing air ride shocks turbo aftermarket spoilers aftermarket wheels and so on

 

Woah, easy there trigger... you asked for opinions and then you strike back with that BS? You claim to have been criticized, but I don't see that anywhere. And, my personal response ended with an answer to your question. Nobody is trying to talk you out of anything, just offering up some food for thought. Sounds like you're the one with the "problem". Relax.

 

Mark gave you some very good advice here...

Messing around with having to have special brackets machined will be a royal hassle and simply isn't worth it especially when you already have F430 Challenge / 430 Scuderia calipers. The refurbished calipers will be no different to the ' new ' ones from a performance perspective if you fit brand new hills engineering pistons. Essentially a caliper is a big lump of cast or cnc machined alumnium alloy (i.e. a big lump of metal). If the original caliper wasn't damaged or corroded its function will be 100% assuming they are fitted correctly. When fitting bigger calipers don't forget to also buy the upgraded steel braided brake lines too, they make a big difference to pedal feel. You don't technically need the CCM brake servo, its just providing a bit more assistance (in my opinion a bit overly servo'd vs the Modena one). I quite like the feel of the Modena servo with the CCM's as there is more brake feel but it does mean you loose out on the weight saving from the newer Bosch CCM servo.

The F430 Calipers really do *just* fit with a cigarette paper spacing between the rim and the caliper, I don't know how this would work with a different shaped caliper from another model when the tolerances are this close. Messing around with having to have special brackets machined will be a royal hassle and simply isn't worth it.

On stopping performance it brings the car up to a level where its as good as it gets and if your car is lower weight too then you'll actually be able to out brake even the latest crop of 250k+ cars, ask me how I know. They are all saddled with 150kg+ of extra weight

If you fit RS29's or RS19 Pagid pads and have good tires like Michelin Sport 4S or Cup 2's you simply will get other worldly braking performance. Don't forget to adjust the -ve camber higher on both front and rear to take advantage of the improved mechanical grip you get and allow these modern grippy compound tires to really dig in to the tarmac.

Good luck!

 

Ferrari made a judgement call on this and decided CCM's where the way to go for all their customers which I am sure most people know that CCM's have been fitted as standard now for years. Since then every single performance car brand from Porsche, to Bentley to Aston now fit them on road cars.

There are many benefits to drivers even if they don't race their cars such as lower maintenance, less brake dust, improved asthetics and now Brembo have come out with the latest CCM2 discs and Bosch have revised their software specially for CCM's and Pagid tweaked the pad compounds, the brake feel is excellent too even from cold. Ofcourse even the Challenge Gentlemen circuit racers are on a budget and getting through CCM's regularly even now the costs have dramatically reduced has forced them to look for better cost alternatives. This can be done but there usually is a bit of a weight penalty vs CCM's.

Steel brakes are a bit like the combustion engine vs electric drivetrain, they've had decades of refinement so yes they are really good at this point. The CCM's are relatively new but are getting better every single generation. Just like the electric car the technology will get to the point where steels won't ever be considered again, and the price will flip once they truely become mass manufactured. Just wait a while if you cannot stomach the costs. They are already less than 50% what they where when they first where introduced.

 

Yep, I get it, and I would have them too if I had the option. I just felt compelled to start the thread off with the usual disclaimer all these related threads seem to begin with. The OP has a choice between two excellent options, and the F430 one seems to be the more popular one thus far due to it being more plug and play.

 

Yes I also imagine availability comes into it too. However once you compare the swept pad surface area of the 398mm disc with that of the 380mm disc of the common CS/F430 discs you'll see that the difference is huge! Significantly bigger than less than 2cm larger disc would have you imagine. As such the braking performance is also uplifted by a significant margin to point where you can really feel the difference on the road with better stopping distances (assumes you have enough mechanical grip to to use it!)

 

I also was contemplating CCM for my 360. Trying to track down a complete setup including B booster was hard even when they came up FS on F chat as Soon as there posted FS there gone.
I set about building a custom brake setup
using steel rotors as i don’t track my car
Figured it was a good cost effective route to take. Rotors are 380x32 mm
All four corners brembo callipers are all 6 pot.
They fill out the 19 inch wheels nicely
And bit of extra braking power comes in handy.
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They look great and I bet they are a huge improvement over stock stoppers

 

Without doubt Castrol SRF is one of the best and has been for several years now!

 

I'm have endless ...but w008 on my F430

 

Fast road use? Motul 660. SRF is marginally better, but way more expensive. But if money is no object, SRF.


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I also stick with Motul RBF 660. Best value for money fluid available. No brake fade what so ever. Here in Europe we buy this at EUR30 a litre.