Ferrari F430 OEM Muffler Support Bracket Upgrade

Looks nice, but I don't see any provisions for allowing movement and absorbing vibrations. I think that is important since everything else that connects moves. The OEM bracket acted like a single leaf spring, which at least helped absorbed vibration, even if it was prone to cracking (and your main competition's solution has slots and springs to account for this).

 

you guys at Fabspeed are such losers, the standard F430 doesnt even need these gearbox mounting brackets, you can remove the OEM and its all fine

 

In fact it part of the problem of cracked headers, go back to school ..

 

You can correct or dispute another user without being derogatory or disagreeable.

 

Why do you hate/disparage Fabspeed so much? Not the first post you’ve disparaged them ?

 

I've done a little more research into your past behavior regarding Fabspeed. Note Rob Lay's comment to you in 2015 on an older Fabspeed thread.

You are entitled to start one thread to complain about any specific experience with any dealer, supplier, or service provider, even if they are another user or even sponsor of Ferrarichat. You are entitled to post on that thread so long as you can sustain attention and interest for your complaint. You are not entitled to follow any other party around and diss them anywhere and everywhere you see or feel like because you have some outsized sense of being wronged. We call this "stalking" and you will be banned for this.

I am entering this warning into the mod logs so appropriate action can be taken if there is a repeat of this.

 

There's already too much hate in this world, not to mention it's the holiday season. Lighten up guys. Fabspeed came clean about their headers a long time ago, and besides, you can't deny they're a quality product, regardless of where they're made. All their stuff is good quality, including these muffler brackets (even if I did reply with what I saw as a design flaw). Different solutions by different vendors.

 

I love my Fabspeed headers. Had them on my 360M and now on my F430B. Happy holidays everyone.


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I find what RichardCH about not needing the brackets very interesting. I just got an F430 and checked these brackets...both were cracked all the way through. I immediately ordered new ones as I was afraid the lack of support would lead to header cracking. Interestingly I tried to wiggle the exhaust and both sides were very stiff and basically not moveable. I thought exactly what RicharCH posted that maybe installing them may worsen the situation as there is no ability to flex and they don't seem to need the support. Any other thoughts on this?

 

2 days after i bought my car i took them off. That was 2 years ago.

 

If the stock brackets are cracking, there is a considerable force applied to them. Stronger brackets might move the failure to a different location or reduce the time to failure of other components considerably.

Fixing only the weakest link may not be the best solution. Paired with AM headers or cats then this may be the ticket. Not sure.





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Has anybody toyed with the idea of adding a washer-spring-washer set up like capristo solution, but at the three bolt connections on each bracket at the gear box?

 

So many apologies for my rather abrasive comments but Fabspeed are supposed to provide us with great products for our cars, yet with all their experience and product issues over the years, this product simply continues to show how little they understand about our cars, thermal dynamics and engineering.

 

If you guys look at the stock vs Fabspeed bracket you will see that coming off the mounting point, the stock has a plane in all 3 directions. That will make them VERY rigid so they can't move with thermal changes (pipe gets longer when hot). The Fabspeed has a plane in only one direction and that crosses the plane of the pipe's expansion. This will make them stiff to provide support but they should flex as the pipe expands/contracts in length. I haven't had a set in my hands but the Fabspeed product should provide a significant amount of strain relief compared to stock and actually reduce stress on the headers. Richard did get it right that you need to look at them and consider the thermal dynamics and engineering issues; how much heat is there isn't the problem and I suspect that Ferrari put in a support for a reason. If I had to guess, the reason is to reduce strain on the header (it moves the strain to between the bracket and exhaust) but Ferrari didn't account for enough pipe expansion in the bracket design so you see a couple of related exhaust failure problems.

 

That's a very elegant looking part. I was going to suggest that the design get modified to allow for the growth when hot but John above makes a worthy mention that depending on the thickness of your web it may move with the system when it heats up. My 360 exhaust tips can move as much as a 1/2 inch and the muffler can about 5/16ths so there is movement for sure.

 

Yes and the 360 does not have the lower brackets and it has a bigger heavier muffler. I also binned my broken 430 lower brackets years ago. Worse thing you can do with cracked brackets is weld em up good and strong.

 

$595 for some bent metal with U-clamp. Hmmmmm . No thanks.

 

It is my opinion that Ferrari realized a problem with the rigidity of the system very late in 430 production and came out with the OEM sport exhaust. That system allows for growth through its flexible mounting brackets. I have seen 1/2 inch of growth on my OEM sport exhaust system with room to grow more. Because the system is now allowed to freely expand, there is no longer any stress on the headers, thus decreasing the chance of exhaust header failure. The OEM sport exhaust system also eliminates the lower brackets and "leaf spring". And a substantial weight savings by the elimination of the "can".

 

Yep Ferrari most definitely made a mistake here and realized it but despite that Fabspeed just copied the original mistake, 10 years of experience later ...... here you go guys we have a great product for you !

 

Sure but the brackets damage the car, they are totally unnecessary and you rather unfortunately don't seem to understand this.