Good to know. So perhaps during the transition between the two hvac systems, the dash vents came before installation of the new style temp controls, (in anticipation of the change)? My early 87 car had the early vents, heater controls and side skirts. I have wondered if the sideskirts were from the factory, or dealer added to give the car a more updated look next to other later cars on the showroom floor. .
Let’s just say, I couldn’t watch anymore once the keyless entry and LED headlights showed up. It isn’t one for the purist at heart.
10-1987 is a 1988. All 1988 cars have the newer vents, as far as I know... Digital temperature control was added during production of 1988 cars. 1988 production began with the analog AC. 1988 model cars were made until Mid 1988 (I know they discussed this in another thread) 1988.5 is a 1988 but for some reason the “1988.5” is used (or misused). Its still unclear what exactly about a 1988 would qualify it for “1988.5” status.
I agree. And isn’t a restoration supposed to maintain the original color? This is more like a transformation.
That’s Jason’s car. Owner of BullStuff. https://www.bullstuff.com/ He has a blog on the whole history. http://lp5000.blogspot.com/ Mike
That was THE first Countach I ever drove.. for sale in Providence RI. She was pretty rough but I will always love her LOL. Passed on the sale and glad she was saved.
Again, more rampant misinformation from you. Not all 1988 cars have the slot vents, some 1988 cars were made in batches by the factory with the circular flip vents. Digital temperature control was not added during production of 1988 cars, but before it. 1988 production did not begin with the analog AC.
I wrote “as far as I know” in reference to the vents. I never saw one with round vents. Digital AC was added before 1988 model year? To be clear, 1988 model year began production in 1987. And by added I do not mean added in the owner’s manual, I mean they physically appeared in the car. The early 1988 model year cars (built in ‘87) have analog AC. Digital AC was introduced afterwards and was carried over to ‘89 and ‘90. No 1987 model year cars have Digital AC. What exactly are you saying? Instead of being vague, be clear. Are you saying that the early 1988 model year cars did not have analog AC? And what about the “1988.5” designation, we still have no clarification from you.
Nicely refurbished, not trying to win a concourse. The FI cars always seem to be the cars that stray from original a bit more with their owners. That dyno shows 325hp to the wheels which is about 375 to the crank. So there’s a data point for these cars.
See post 6860 in the Countach thread for a few rear wheel dyno runs. Terrible screenshot, but someone with a little more time might help with a better shot. 348 rwhp for the fi 377 rwhp for the dd Image Unavailable, Please Login
This is actually a dd wheel dyno run on you tube, Us bumper car, Painted similar to Canada car, but nmbrs are very unfair,we all know the real hp is a lot more Image Unavailable, Please Login
This was discussed before. Those cars were never dynoed, they simply took stated crank hp, and subtracted the same loss for each variant.
Nobody owes you any explanation for anything, demanding answers won't get you far, when you are seeking information, politeness helps. Meanwhile, the vast majority of your assertions in the 23 posts you've made thus far are wholly incorrect as we've seen, and your posts suggest you are simply spending your time creating confusion for yourself where there needn't be any, as I've said before, you appear to be the only one confused by everything related to the 1988 Countach. Perhaps you should do some more research, 1988 Countachs with circular flip vents by the factory do exist. If you are genuinely interested in all the nuances, references and production variances of the 1988 Countach, as you claim to have one, please post it's VIN number and post images of it to include it's interior, to augment this discussion. Correct, and note the dyno tests were done with sport headers and sports exhaust. Rich we've started collating a series of engine-out dyno tests properly measured by reputable sources to assess the differences accurately, all to form the basis of a meaningful publication on the subject, stay tuned. The Fuelies we have tested were also allowed sport headers and sports exhausts and the results are similar to that of Jason/Bullstuff's car, perhaps slightly higher, but numbers in the mid-to-high-3s, no 400-plus numbers. I asked the Chief Engineer about this and he said the USA Fuelies had their power numbers estimated for the USA market, long story short, 420 is a significant exaggeration. On the other hand, Downdrafts regularly dyno @ 455 bhp, and over. Cases in point are the recent engine dynos done of a blueprinted engine which yielded @ 479.21 bhp (based on measured torque of 404.62 lb ft) and a standard rebuilt engine which came out @ 452.7 bhp. This material deserves to be properly published in the venue of an authoritative publication so the facts are better established, as opposed to unsubstantiated opinions in a forum. Sure, but you left out the fact that it's also actually a rear-wheel dyno run performed by a shop to demonstrate to the owner that he had a very sick engine, which was then immediately disassembled and rebuilt.
Did not leave a ything out. You did not wuite the last part of my post wich stats the nmbrs are unfair and we all know it produces more power ,strange beeig everybody here read it 2 places back on this page
On a second note,this DD dyno run might have been actual nmbrs,just out of tune,lol, Here we go again,48 valves,4 cams, similar displacements and block and head castings,and on and on,The mighty QV engine in all its glory, one carbed,the other fuel injected,by Bosch,the The authority in fi/efi world wide. We all know the 2 variants runs head to head with similar exhaust,(owners ready to prove their point) lets stay focused.
You are not being polite by constantly telling me I am wrong but not providing the correct information to back it up. Its easy to say this and that are incorrect but where is the correct information about a “1988.5”? And again about the vents - I clearly stated that as far as I knew there were none, I never said that with absolute authority. For you to keep acting like I meant it any other way is very unnecessary and immature. To say that the QV FI Power output was significantly exaggerated is ridiculous. I presume then that according to you (and The Chief Engineer) carb versions were precisely quoted? Its obvious that these constant attempts to discredit the QV FI in favour of the carb versions is based on your personal preference for carb engines no matter how you choose to mask it (dyno, Chief Engineer, etc.)
Having owned and driven several varieties over the years I can state confidently that the downdraft, properly tuned, is a beast, feels extremely fast. When the discovery channel did a special on my DD a decade ago, I was able to take an Enzo 2 out of five runs on the 1/4 drag strip, if I got a better launch. Yes this is my butt dyno, but the DD, properly tuned certainly feels much faster than the other variants. That said, if my DD sits a lot, the carbs can gum up with modern fuel, and my car has been out of tune as much as it’s been in tune. Over two decades of ownership has taught me that the DD needs to be regularly driven to keep it in tip top tune. Recently with full time mechanics I’ve solved that. Of course being a bit more difficult is not a slight. I’ve always loved supermodels and they are higher maintenance for sure. But the DD properly tuned, really feels the horsepower that’s been quoted and above other variants. Really the DD feels modern fast, even today. While others can differ, it matters only if the DD feels faster than other CTs. Otherwise the extra ponies wouldn’t matter in reality. And it does IMHO. That said, I’ve yet to drive a perfectly set up FI car without the smog equipment and heavy (incredibly heavy) DOT mods. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
When I earlier mentioned my lack of cleaning carbs, only once a year, and not needing to tune them I will add that I always use non ethanol fuel. The old boat guys taught me about this a long time ago and in FL it’s easy to find - maybe this has helped.
