488 Replacement

Ferr9000 explained it on page 25:
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/488-replacement.570048/page-25#post-146257251

"I was not in the car and I do not work in Ferrari, but I can confirm that the car in the pictures with black camouflage is an hybrid one. And under the camouflage its indeed the final bodywork. I will not post the internal codes anymore since last time I had some little problems, but lets call this one "488 big brother". The car is ready in terms of exterior and interior and you will see it sooner than you stated. It looks like a proper spaceship, very in line with its hybrid and top technology.
The 488 replacement its indeed not the car in the pictures."

So..
F142M-FL (a.k.a. 488 GTB.2) = No hybrid powertrain and to be revealed in March.
BB (no internal code known yet) = Hybrid V8, to be revealed later.

 

This all looks correct and is consistent with everything Ferr9000 stated. Don’t forget his earlier post regarding the F142M-FL 488.2 reveal in March which will be for people denied a Pista allocation and have an updated interior and same platform. I would assume many Pista components and possibly similar powertrain “for the rest of us” thinking around 375-425k. Meanwhile, “big brother”, the spaceship looking hybrid to be introduced in the summer will be for the current Pista customers who are ready (and can afford), to purchase the next completely new next generation vehicle. If I had to guess, 475-525k.

 

Very interesting to imagine what big brother will be ..
Sort of modern F40 with no leather interior, just racing seats and little options list .
Around 1600 kilos because of hybrid system , and 850 - 900 hp .
550 k€ ?

 

We're definitely looking at a very high power output (and a very high specific output for turbo engines):
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We'll get to the point where "normal" supercars (no >1M€ hypercars) will be able to reach 300km/h in a scary short time..

 

230-240 HP/l = ~900 HP V8 TT

 

Thanks. Makes sense.

I think I'm getting hung up on whether the Geneva 488 replacement/successor is a new platform that will then be upgraded to BB. I guess this is not the case as F142 will be reused... like when mainstream manufacturers continue an old model in parallel with its replacement by giving it the "Classic" moniker, LOL.

So, at the end of the day, F142-M (aka FL or LB) will, in effect, be the entry-level "Dino" model that so many were predicting, only without the V6. Mind you, would be a good platform to introduce the V6.

Grazie ferr!

 

V8TT+ElectricPU

Why 1600kg? Heavier than LaFerrari with its majestic V12? I won't buy this car. ;-p

 

It's gonna be a production car not a track special I expect a Big options list and USD 500k well equipped (essential options) pricing

 

Hybrid system + batteries = more weight
Simple as that .

 

LaFerrari does have hybrid system onboard too. And it has big V12. Why do you want a stripped down (you say F40 like) near hyper-performance car to weigh 1600kg ? (I assume with the full tank and the driver at least.)

 

As you are "the master" predictor of the new cars with your outstanding drawings (note sucking up here ) - Would be awesome to get your sketches of what you think BB will look like i.e. under all that black canvas !!

 

And BB has to deliver massive performance. I don't want to guess the pricing - we don't know yet what we're gonna pay for.

 

+1

 

Weight difference between Na V12 and TT V8 is minimal .
Real life weight will more or less 1600 kg ( and it should be an achievement)
Don't expect less , you will be disappointed

 

Indeed, the difference between the Lusso and Lusso T is only 55 kg - and in addition to the V12, the Lusso also carries the 4WD system

 

Meanwhile the LaFerrari:
1480kg with lightweight options (as stated in manual) and for sure
"less than 1,600 Kgs with lift system and HiFi" (quoted after a member of this site).
Am I to be happy if the BB was heavier than LaF?

 

Don't forget the LF is a carbon tub construction. So a weight difference of 150kg isn't really that unexpected between LF and "BB".

I think Ferrari is splitting their line up into more niches. I think they will do something that really blows us away (pun intended as its a turbo).

 

I still want better. McLaren 720s is also CF tub (although not hand prepared) and it's only 60kg lighter than all aluminium frame 488GTB, and BB should be made on the new platform and process so we don't know exactly what optimisations that can benefit to weight reduction it can get.
With regular luxury options I agree with ~1600kg hybrid, but not with just a F40-like luxury onboard what our friend jpalmito proposed here.

 

The level of speculation on this thread is too damn high!!!

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Thanks guys but my crystal ball is a bit foggy on this one. Haven't seen enough to glean any clear ideas yet. I'll just end up drawing what I'd like to see.

I haven't given up on guessing though. Maybe after the next batch of spy pics.

 

Even seeing what you would like to see would be great IMO - will be interesting to see how far off from start to finish it would be

 

It must be quite amusing for any Ferrari related insider to come to F-chat and read what people think Ferrari is doing. But this is a chat

 

And it's a fun game too ..
And we all share the same fear our beloved brand could decline in this competitive era.

 

If indeed F40 is an inspiration, I don't think you will see something like Icona, it will be more like inspiration of concept. It's very hard to get the weight down with all this stuff. If a Tesla Model S which weighs 4,950lbs (2,245 kg) can do 0-60 mph in 2.5 seconds, just imagine what a Ferrari weighing maybe 3,527lbs (1,600kg) and having more power, especially via gearing can achieve... If rumors are to be believed this might feature some kind of AWD system, so really amazing 0-60 times should be possible.

My opinion is if they really want to use F40 as an inspiration then they need to do something that really smashes our notion of what's possible. The F40 was the first street car to achieve over 200MPH. That really captured people's imagination. Ferrari always has lofty goals, but if you want to use such an iconic car as inspiration, you need to set some really really lofty goals. This is purely my own guess: I think they will set such goals and I think they will achieve them.

 

No signs yet that the BB is definitely the car that is to be "the new F40", although I think the new F40 has to be a car that will be a real game-changer.