488 Replacement

If something like the F40 is coming back, then I think Ferrari will do it via the Icona series, because, in my opinion, the idea of something barebone and raw is too extreme for "regular" models (so far, I haven't read anything about BB being a special, limited series). One could imagine it as an answer to McLaren's Senna.

 

Agree

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I was told by an official ferrari dealer (in Europe) that the 488 replacement will most likely be announced next march. However, we will not see it in the street at least a year or year and half from next march.

What do you think guys?

 

I posted that in the F142F-L section, but it adheres to the 488 Replacement category.
The rumours say, we'll have two V8 presentations this year, one V8TT (7th March, in Geneva) and V8TT Hybrid (BB) about two months later (not disclosed exactly where). What will Ferrari do to BB not cannibalize and prematurely depreciate the upcoming 488 facelift? Maybe the V8TT Hybrid will be the mini-LaFerrari which some people were expected at some point of time. Mini-LaFerrari but for less money than LaF also. The open question still is, will it be limited production model or normal production run. Anyway, we can expect a proper (high) price, maybe use of carbon fibre in the tub (?), and kickass performance (this is a must).

 

At Capital Market Days Ferrari said the BB would offer super car level performance. My guess is it will also come with an "appropriate" price (much higher than even Pista).

 

Higher price of the BB has to be justified by higher performance (well, at least I say things should go that way). And no wonder that I mentioned a mini-LaFerrari, because cars like mclaren 720s or 488Pista have already come dangerously close to the level of supercar (P1,LaFerrari) performance.

 

Once they announce it usually the first cars come 6 to 9 months after

 

HIgher than LaFerrari obviously.

 

Oh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. I would say that the LF will be surpassed only by its successor.

 

At the Capital Market Day last year Enrico Galliera said it will have better performance than LAF.

 

Just some random thoughts on this:

Regarding the chassis, if the F142-M/FL reuses the existing chassis and the BB is CF, what happened to the much publicized new and improved (aluminum) platform which was meant to be shared across the whole line (!?) and which had its first application with the Portofino?

Maybe the plans were changed to counter McL and their CF platforms. Because of cost increases, first application will be the high-priced "halo-car" BB and once the build process comes up to speed and costs come down LB will be introduced. In the meantime, F142-M/FL will fill the lower end of the lineup.

 

If I recall correctly, he said that it would have near supercar-level performance. No mention of the LF.

 

BB should have the new modular platform and from what I've heard isn't related to the Portofino. The new platform is designed to accommodate hybrid systems and its modular nature means that can be configured both for front and mid engine schemes. It's basically made from alluminum but could have some structural composite parts, depending on applications.

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Exactly

 

Not even half the price of LaF

 

It's Crazy that some here are speculating on a CF Tub for BB No reliable source has ever confirmed it
So why the rumors persist is just crazy. CF is only for LaF replacement all foreseeable production
Ferrari's are aluminium platform only

 

You might want to listen to the webcast again. He referred to “a car with the performance of a supercar which means that this car will have higher performance vs LAF”.

Listen at the webcast’s Q&A at 2:05:15

https://edge.media-server.com/m6/p/ietfjftk

 

Thanks for sharing this. I had no idea the BB is supposed to be above the last Halo car in terms of performance.

 

Yes the BB will be faster than LaF - why ? Because tech is advancing that quickly if Ferrari don't deliver then others will
Plus by the time BB gets delivered as a 2020 model the LaF will be 6 years old Tech is in warp drive another reason resales are dropping

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-ferrari-laferrari-first-drive-review

 

A 2007 430 Scuderia laps Fiorano quicker than a 2002 Enzo - so the pace of progress is not new...

 

Thank you sir.

 

... but the engine's note will not be as thrilling.

And a question remains, how Ferrari will manage to surpass LaFerrari performance with BB? It needs to be lighter and/or more powerful, but I don't really suppose that BB will be a 1000hp hybrid monster. So, ... ?

 

I think You just did the math. My suspension is the car will have fantastic power and an appropriate price.

Think about it: we know it's coming. That's not a secret. They need to make it clearly at least one notch above Pista. So... 800hp won't do that. 900? More? I don't see why 4 figures is out of the question.

And as to sound, I would imagine Ferrari knows just how important sound is to the whole experience. They have done a lot with the current V8 engine. It certainly sounds better than the other turbo V8s out there, even if its not at the same sonic level as the prior NA engines.

So enter the patent some have referred to. By decoupling the turbo impeller in the exhaust track from that in the intake, they might be able to do a kind of electric supercharger that is sometimes using the exhaust to recharge a battery, plus KERS, but most of the time giving us clear "NA" style exhaust sound.

So can you imagine such a car? Massive power, NA sound when it counts, perhaps AWD to help make use of all that power.... Where do I sign up?

 

Just spoke with my dealer with regard to my plans after the pista yesterday. He specifically mentioned two models, one which he calls the 488 modificado and the other which is referred to as the “v8 hypercar”. Now, from the description of the qualification criteria (maybe he was trying to artificially jack up the positioning) it sounds like the latter could be in proper hypercar territory in terms of production numbers and pricing. Again, all speculation at this point so take that with a grain of salt..

 

^^Well said