Rear end is ok, but front end isn t ...Doors pannels don t change...too costly !
I was about to requote my post about door panels (as mentioned by the member above) and I see the references to F142M-FL and F173 in the CV have now been erased. Some details were supposed to remain unknown, I guess!
I'd also say, what we've heard so far was not "unexpected". Here are the photoslides from September. Image Unavailable, Please Login and: Image Unavailable, Please Login
Granted the current media interface is in need of attention but if that pic is a sign of what's in store then I'm feeling very good about Pista and the 488's current dash design.
Indeed. Ferrari already told us quite a few things. The puzzle right now is still missing some pieces, but at least we're not completely clueless as to what we will see in the future. By the way, I'm wondering if the large center display (as in Lusso above) will find its way into the 488FL/BB's cabins. Somehow.
When I looked back at the 488 replacement rumours via car magazines etc., probably 90% of what we "know" now was rumoured in early 2017 if not earlier. It surprises me a bit that we have moved forward so little since then . Ferrari - the kings of suspense ... and names that seem to be invented in the lunch time just before the reveal . What is your bet on the new names for the upcoming models?
No idea about the name, honestly. If they actually increase the displacement, then 489 or 499 GTB might sound likely. Otherwise, I'd like to see something simple (but not very creative, I know...) like 488 S, 488 Plus, 488 M/MM and such.
Thank you. "488M" sounds good for me as well + a few more hp (50?) and nicely upgraded front and (especially) rear panel on a facelift would be nice.
Open question , gentlemen, what is your bet on the new names for the upcoming models (BB and facelift)?
I’ll bet it’s more than 1 year. Don’t forget the lag from introduction/launch to on the road in the USA. I’d bet 2 years, min. As for “why”, we have said one valid reason why repeatedly here; the all new platform is not ready. That’s why. Ferrari has been working on other launches/platforms.
No dealers called the 430 a facelift, of course they said it was the replacement for the 360. It was a new model for marketing purposes. A new platform is what defines an all new model.
In this case I have a problem. 488 is a facelift of a 458. Especially inside they look VERY similar. If the 488 successor will only be a face lift I'm afraid I won't buy it.
One way to think about this is to recall that the 430 was a so-called “platform mid life cycle update” (the more formal name for a “facelift”). The 430 shared the same platform as the 360, but had a very different and improved interior. It had 20% more power. It had improvements everywhere. It was - to most market participants and observers - a new car. It’s only for ferrari nerds and technical sticklers that it was rather an update to an existing platform. Look, nobody is going to argue that updating an existing platform is supperior to an all new car in terms of market attractiveness. BUT, IF ferrari does not have an all-new platform car ready to go in the $300k mid-engine market, then updating the 458/488 platform (again) is really the only way to go. (Some would suggest they keep selling the Pista for another 2 years, but I don’t think they will for several reasons that are both obvious and already outlined in this forum several times. Similarly they won’t simply leave the 488 unchanged for another few years and try to sell that in this marketplace)
IMO the motivation for a facelift instead of extending the Pista would be because of segment price. Its their high production mid-engine seller and they need something cheaper in that bracket. If they rolled out the Pista at a more reasonable price to start with you would see a mod of that ending out the chassis no doubt. Just upping the power and adding a new interior and a few flaps and gills would have done it. To pull off a facelift and still sell well before the replacement its got to get some no nonsense improvements and not just very small changes. If the replacement is just a V6 then maybe they'll get some V8 holdovers.
Thank you for reminding the 360 and F430. F430 was enough to call it a new model, not a 360 facelift. Now, let's jump to the present/near future. If I recall correctly the new modular platform will serve for both mid-rear and mid-front ferraris and is supposed to accomodate variable wheelbase - but we cannot say that Ferrari will essentially produce only one new car.
That’s not what I’m saying at all...the 360 to 430 *was* a so-called “mid cycle update”, aka “facelift”. It was not an all new platform/car (despite the nomenclature and marketing). People here really should be using only three terms/phrases to describe “new” Ferrari’s: 1) update to an existing platform (for example 360 to 430, or 458 to 488) 2) all new platform to replace a current model (for example 430 to 458, or 355 to 360) 3) all new car in a new class (the Cali back in 2009 for example, or the upcoming new mid engine supercar referred to here as the big brother)
Completely understood . But most of the time customers get just a new "model". You can see that term simply "a new model" is enough to differentiate a car to a car in layman terms. This eliminates digging in internal factory dependencies. No one discredits e.g. 812superfast just because it is prolonging life of F12berlinetta platform.
Hello to all. I am a new user. First I would like to apologize to everyone for my bad English (I'm a little rusty) . Having said that I wanted to show you this video ( ) Have you ever seen it? in the video to get my attention are the main changes to the bodywork, from the large air intake that goes up from the back of the roof to the roof. Does the V8 turbo really need to breathe that much? Maybe it's a V12? Anyway, in this picture, you see a "device" above the engine. (hybrid V12?) Image Unavailable, Please Login
All I can see and hear is a 488 turbo v8 in a 458 body which has been given adequate venting given the body shell they are using has no side venting or sufficient front venting. It stands to reason Ferrari are simply testing out their future drive-trains in early model bodies rather than exposing their new model body designs during their respective testing exercises. I would imagine that once the engineers are satisfied with the performance of the new drive-train unit that only then would they bother fitting it up in the respective new body.
I very much doubt Ferrari is going to make a radical departure from the highly successful 458 and 488 designs. If you are looking for dramatic design changes which resemble some kind of futuristic bloated insect then prepare yourself for disappointment. I imagine the 488 replacement will further express the current design envelope, distinguishing it from the 488 in the same way 488 was clearly different and more modern than the outgoing 458. "The term "new platform" which is frequently spoken of will essentially accommodate for the new/improved hybridized drive-trains. PS. Ferrari won't bat an eyelid if you personally don't buy one as they know there will always be countless others who will. So long as 488's "replacement" is better performing and visually more modern there will always be plenty lining up to buy one.
People come on, Ferr and many others already told you that the car in Geneva is a restyling if the 488 period! Forget the new model. That will be launched later. Even my dealer in Geneva told me that the service people already had their trainning done regarding the restyling. Make conjectures about the BB, and next model of 488. But the one in March is just a restyling ( probably even better than the pista though).
I was hoping for something more than just a new interior (confirmed) and some cosmetic changes to the bodywork. I see no point in coming to Geneva this year if we are to see only the facelift (yawn).
Facelift is a misleading term, even if it's a way to distinguish from a platform change. With the same terminology the 488 (also unveiled at Geneva) was a facelift of the 458, and everybody saw it as a new model; and there may be more difference between the 488 and the "F142FL" than between the 488 and 458. I bet in addition to a new interior and cosmetic change, the F142FL will also get at least a more powerful engine.
I did not see the 488 as a new model to the 458 at the reveal. The cars looked so close to the folks I were with they did not make an order. Aside from the turbo it was felt that the 458 they has sounded a lot better and everything else looked pretty close including the interior. Even the new color which was a pearl or very light metallic looking RC fell short of being that much different. The comment I did hear was related to the door handles and the dealer did not start the car until it was being driven out instead of also at the beginning of the event. At the time there was much concern over the sound so they kept it low key.
All the changes are greatly welcomed, but I am not sure what to think about the extent of the changes because this facelift model is meant to last only about 2 years in production. Will it be a bridge to next gen models or just a placeholder until the real successor comes, we probably have to wait and see. ... BTW no pre-premiere leaks is kind of boring.
