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488 Replacement

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by ajr550, Feb 21, 2018.

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  1. Shack

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    Amen to that ....
     
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  2. Dilusha

    Dilusha Formula Junior

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    It does. It's a fact proven by many McLaren owners. It was way more than the P1's 730 hp. They first wanted to call it 750S. But then decided not to. Instead it was named 720S. True story.

    And btw, Ferrari never responds! :D
     
  3. REALZEUS

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    The only way to have an accurate number is take the engine out of the car, put it on a properly calibrated bench dyno (not a rolling road), test it a number of times, then normalise the figures and adjust for atmospheric conditions. Rolling roads are good for comparative purposes (ceteris paribus; i.e. the same rig, with the same operator, under the same conditions), but not for inferring actual, crankshaft, figures.
     
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  4. noone1

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    Exactly. All these rolling roads do is let someone do before/after comparisons. People just guess (usually poorly) things like parasitic loss etc. Everyone still seems to think that RWD is 10-15% and AWD is 20-25%, as if there have been no drivetrain efficiency improvements in the last 20 years. Heck, a lot of modern cars can't even be dyno'd easily on rolling roads due to software that sense things like rolling rear tires, stationary front tires, no acceleration, etc.

    If you don't use a properly set up engine dyno just like they do when they develop/test engines, then the numbers aren't terribly accurate.

    Also, don't you think it's funny how tuners never want to do a proper bench dyno? Wonder why... :rolleyes: Maybe things don't look as good on those dynos LOL I guess selling a $7500 exhaust isn't as easy when the HP increase looks like like 7hp than 20hp.
     
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  6. SoCal to az

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  7. George330

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    I don’t think one needs to dyno test the engine...just look at the acceleration figures. If McLaren are getting this sort of 0-200 with 720 hp and the weight of the 720S they are magicians...


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  8. Dilusha

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    Didn't hear from 'Ferr9000' for some time now. :(
     
  9. jpalmito

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    No BB spy shots since October,
    No F142 M-FL " real " mule pics at all ,
    With all those " paparazzi " around the factory ?

    Seems weird to me ..
     
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  10. noone1

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    Pista is apparently not much slower...
     
  11. IPO1

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    Yes like most manufacturers Mac HP in real world is closer to 780-800 than 720. 488 replacement better up it to at least 750 official, because 750LT will already beat that when it hits probably next year, then 720 replacement 2021, and will probably be 820. Either way will be well ahead of 488 replacement HP wise me thinks.

    Fun times and glad the three major players are keeping each other up at night...and don't think Lambo is going to sleep during this time.

    Winner - all of us who get to pick the one that makes us grin harder.
     
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  12. George330

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    On the basis of official manufacturer figures the Pista is actually meant to be faster...McLaren originally quoted 7.8s for 0-200 km/h and I believe Ferrari quote 7.5s
    I have since seen some tests that show 0-200 in the very low 7s for the 720S and I have also driven one against my TDF which is a 7.8-7.9 car and the 720S is a little faster...
    In any case, I don’t think this is relevant to a car’s enjoyment factor, which is the reason I didn’t buy a 720S...Great car, a little too clinical for me


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  13. IPO1

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    Can appreciate that. Kinda hard to beat a V12 and I did not cross shop 720 and TDF as completely different price points.

    Hell I'd take a TDF as well if same price ;)

    Now I did cross shop standard 488 and it wasn't even close for me. I also like the hydraulics all around on 720 (especially steering).

    Enjoy the hell out of that TDF--what an amazing drive you must have everyday!
     
  14. Dilusha

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    If the FL has around 750 hp, then I'd be so happy! :)
     
  15. kandi

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    Calm before the storm ;)
     
  16. day355

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    [QUOTE = "Dilusha, post: 146428910, member: 202468"] Si le FL a environ 750 ch, alors je serais si heureux! [/ QUOTE]

    Even if you get 800 hp , you ll never get an NA emotion with turbo engines...power remains actually anecdotic for enthusiasts...
     
  17. LVP488

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    That's why nobody likes the F40, I guess ;)
     
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  18. day355

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    It s not the same technology, and the feed back, sensations are too differents...Not the same league and some more kg for the pista :)
     
  19. SoCal to az

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    Unfortunately the NA engines are going to be a thing of the past. It’s the way of the world. turbo and hybrid is what will come.
     
  20. REALZEUS

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    You can still have N/A with a hybrid system. Best of both worlds.
     
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  21. gowthamn

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    Lamborghini has NA and hybrid. That is what I like. But unfortunately I don't like the look and experience of lambo
     
  22. gowthamn

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    Why can't Ferrari do an NA Hybrid car? Others have.
     
  23. jpalmito

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    NA v12 will be hybrid, this is why I believe we will see front and rear mid engine with this kind of engine and not only for halo and icona series
     
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  24. SoCal to az

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    Understood and agree- I was referring to pure NA. No hybrid, no turbo. Those cars will be few and far between in the future.
     
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  25. REALZEUS

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    Ferrari itself has done it; it 's called LaFerrari. ;)
     
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