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Advice about Tracks?

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  1. Hendry2019

    Hendry2019 Karting

    Jan 2, 2019
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    Hi Ferrari Owners

    Since i am new to new Ferrari World, i am planning to take my new 488 Spider to a one day track (from morning till night “3 sessions”) with Ferrari professional drivers and coaches which my dealer is arranging.

    I have just two questions:

    1- any advice for first timer? I know there will be Ferrari Coaches and staff before jumping into tracks who will guide me, but i Just wanted to hear your personal advice/tips from your past experience.

    2- part from the fees cost, are there any additional cost for car maintenance after the track? (e.g., changing brakes .etc). Or it depends on my driving style on the track?

    Because to be frankly speaking, i am not planning to pay any extra cash after the track. Just wanted to enjoy one day track and then go back to normal weekend rides.

    Your advice and feedback will be highly appreciated.

    Regards
    Hendry
     
  2. MuratC

    MuratC Formula Junior

    Jul 6, 2014
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    First make sure that yor car is in good shape. Brake pads, brake fluid, tires, etc. Depending on your sessions, driving conditions and style, get ready to replace your pads, brake fluid and engine oil and your tires. They will be most likely "finished"
    It is also a good idea to cover all the critical body parts which are prone to stone chipping with some removeable film/tape. You can not believe the amount of junk you will get on your car. Lastly, make sure that you have at least 1 full lap for cooling down the car properly after your sessions. Never come in to pit area and stop your car after hot laps.

    One last warning, once you get the poison of track driving, you will find the weekend rides quite boring :D

    Good Luck
     
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  3. Vertix

    Vertix Rookie

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    Don't over think it, don't get too caught up in it all - Just relax and enjoy the day!

    If you dont go too crazy I wouldnt worry about additional wear. It's all upto how you drive it.

    You'll be in good hands with the instructors/coaches etc. Remember, your in a Ferrari, its no stranger to a race track.
     
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  4. PJxxx

    PJxxx Karting

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    I’m assuming you’re aware, but ensure you obtain a track specific insurance policy.
     
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  5. Hendry2019

    Hendry2019 Karting

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    Excellent thanks for your feedback.

    1- my 488 spider is new and only have 400 miles so i guess everything should be fine. Also The dealer will do the full checking before going to the track
    2- did full car protection (i think from sun tuk). Is that enough?
    2- as for the driving style and if i dont go crazy on corners, would it be possible to avoid changing tires, pads .etc? It pretty new car , and dont wanna spend extra cash after two weeks from the delivery lol

    Never been on track before, so i know those noob questions
     
  6. Hendry2019

    Hendry2019 Karting

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    That is a relief to be honest.

    Thanks for your advice

    Much appreciated
     
  7. Hendry2019

    Hendry2019 Karting

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    Since my dealer is arranging this special track event. I think they are covering everything as they told me just bring cloths and leave the rest to us including car shipment , checkup , coaching .etc (the event located in different country).
     
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  8. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    You can choose not to be covered but it is almost certain your dealer will not be providing accident insurance for the car (like on the public highway)

    Nonetheless as you note you should try it at least once - your car should be fine but you might need new tires at the end

    Just go at your own pace and obey the instructor
     
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  9. Hendry2019

    Hendry2019 Karting

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    Thanks for the advice. Will certainly obey to my instructor

    Cannot wait to take my 488 to the track.

    And i will ask my dealer about the insurance on the track

    Cheers
     
  10. twist-a-grip

    twist-a-grip Karting

    Oct 25, 2013
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    Is it safe to take out a 400 mile 488? No break in period required?
     
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  11. Melvok

    Melvok F1 World Champ
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    Which country are you Hendry ?
     
  12. klinkman

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    #12 klinkman, Feb 5, 2019
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    full car protection - don't follow other drivers closely. Either go around them or back off. Sometimes there is rubber (and other debris) that gets left on the track that can be kicked up by a car right in front of you or by your own tires. Sometimes this can damage film with a mark that won't come out. I wouldn't sweat this too much. It's pretty rare and your session hopefully will be wide open with lots of space. You might ask the organizer if the track will be swept before your event. If you really are concerned, some guys will use blue painters tape on the vulnerable surfaces.

    Don't worry about changing anything on your car, seriously. 20+ years of track experience tells me your 488 is about as perfect as can be for a newbie track driver. Everyone wants to mess around to 'improve" things, but more than likely they screw something up. Leave it alone, your car is fine.

    You have a handful of responsibilities: a) start with factory recommended cold tire pressures before your first session. This will rise 6-10 lbs when hot, you can check them immediately after your session. Maybe you drop a 2-3 pounds of pressure for your last session if you want to feel a difference, or just leave it alone. b) Make sure your lug nuts are torqued to factory spec before your first session. c) Make sure you have a full tank of gas and your oil level is where it should be (probably not even a concern for a 400mi car!). You may need gas in the afternoon depending on how long the sessions last. d) Wear proper safety equipment. e) Listen closely to the drivers instruction and follow the rules f) learn the flag instructions, g) learn where the flag stations are on the track (generally at or preceding corners) and follow the flagger's directions.

    Depending on your experience or style you can play with the manettino. I would start in sport mode for your first session. Try RACE in a later session but I would be cautious about moving to CT Off until you are very comfortable with the car at the limits the factory is presenting in RACE mode. By all means, do not move to the ESC Off position as you can easily spin or end up in the gravel or worse. Your responsibility is to get comfortable with your car and understand what it's capable of. You have no one to impress.

    Start out in a mental "cool" mode. Both you and your car need to be warmed up. 2-3 laps like this at least. This is really hard, most of us just want to "GO" with the drop of the flag. Just get comfortable with the track. After a few cool laps start adding straight line speed and figure out the braking indicators for corners. The brakes on your 488 are phenomenal but they need to be pushed hard to get the full performance. It always takes a number of laps to figure out the line on a new track, this should be what you're working on on your first sessions.

    Where do you want the car to be on the track? The answer is generally not straight down the middle. For a new driver I would shoot for a 2-3 foot from the edge of the track at corner turn in, about 1 foot from the edge at the apex and then back to the 2-3 foot edge on the exit. During the straights traverse the track to be at the edge turn in point for the next corner.

    Keep your vision down the track not immediately in front of the car. Set up wide for your corner, brake in a straight line and complete braking at the turn in point, turn in to find the apex. When you know you're going to hit the apex you can start to squeeze the throttle and slowly unwind the wheel at the same time to find the outside of the track for corner exit. Then throttle up for the straight, rinse and repeat. Most new drivers are going to brake too hard and turn in too early. You will know you're off line if you have to change your vector in the middle of the corner. When you're doing it correctly, most corners should be a single, even sweep of the wheel, hold for a moment, and then unwind.

    One idea I like to help new drivers understand is the balance of the car. When balance gets upset, well, that's when you spin. Upset can happen with any input, steering, braking or throttle. It boils down simply to weighting the axle that you want doing the work. When you stand on the throttle (straight line) the weight shifts to the rear. That's where you want the weight transfer for the best traction. When you want to turn the car, you want the weight on the front axle -- that's accomplished through braking. Aim for smooth inputs, not jerky or abrupt.

    Most of all relax and enjoy the experience. The 488 is a phenomenal car that rarely gets driven to the level to which it's capable simply due to the environment. A track is a place to finally enjoy that car. Find the balance and have fun.
     
  13. FFan5

    FFan5 Formula Junior

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    In my experience, a single dealer three session track day won't require replacing anything. And there is nothing to worry about but the other cars on the track. Ferrari will take care of your tire pressures, watch your brake pads, and all that. Just don't assume anyone else on the track has the slightest clue what they are doing and you'll be good. Have fun!
     
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  14. +1

    Try to be smooth, not fast. If you do the former, the latter will come naturally.

    And most importantly, just have fun.
     
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  15. LVP488

    LVP488 F1 Rookie

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    Enjoy it :)
    On a (relatively) light car like the 488, you probably only need to replace the front pads (or you'll get close to needing that). Rear pads last longer, and tyres even more.
    I'm still on the original tyres on my car, I probably changed 4 or 5 times the front pads and 2 or 3 times the rear pads.
    I cannot resist re- posting:

     
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  16. pdxjim488

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    I took my 488 on the track with about 500 miles. Did two different events this past summer/fall. Tires are in good shape. And it was a lot of fun! Just listen to your instructor as noted above and have fun. I am curious as to what sort of air pressures they recommend.
     
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  17. exoticcardreamer

    exoticcardreamer Formula 3

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    Ffan5 is correct .

    Typically , you’ll get some classroom instruction , some time on skid pad doing car control exercises (braking , hitting apex , etc) then some sessions doing lead/follow at probably 50% of speed and then go home .

    A three day event would have been better . Day 3 is when they’d probably let you loose and then (pads/consumables would be in play )

    Beginner with one day event is mainly just a tease
     
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  18. Caeruleus11

    Caeruleus11 F1 World Champ
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    Excellent advice all around. I would also say its a good idea to learn the terms they will use and also make sure your cell phone is off in there are no loose items in the car- cell phone holders etc. Put all of that away. The forces at the track are higher than on the road, so any loose items will go flying. You don't want your phone as a distraction. If you have a wife/ loved one/ who wants to know you are OK then tell them you will have it off at some times and you will turn it on when you are done and text them. And then make sure to send them texts!

    Some terms:
    Oversteer: when the car turns more than you are asking via the steering wheel- hence the rear of the car can come around on you.
    Understeer: when the car turns less than you are asking via the steering wheel- hence the front of the car "plows"- you turn the steering wheel and you go kind of straight.
    Apex: usually the mid point of the turn
    Turn In: where you begin your turn
    Track Out: from the apex to the end of the turn
    Braking Zone: where you will do your braking, usually all of it is done before turn in

    Some thoughts about looking down the track. Its very important. Because your hands (and body) do what your eyes tell them. A common example instructors use is opening a door. When you open a door, do you look at the handle, or do you look up and through the opening door? Of course its the latter. If you look at the handle the whole time, you will walk into the door. For driving, its the same. On the street you can get away with a bad habit of not looking too far ahead. On the track, you really want to look quite far ahead. At first it feels difficult, and at first you may have some nerves which make you want to look more down. As you get more comfortable this will go away. Always look where you want to go. Sometimes that's literally looking out of the side window.

    Also they say "slow is smooth and smooth is fast". This just means if you are smooth with your requests of the car ("inputs") then you will be able to carry more speed. Carrying speed at the track is a byproduct of good (usually smooth) technique. At first you will just want to get used to it. So make sure to have fun. But as you do, work with the instructors to help you make smooth inputs.

    I think you are going to have an amazing time and you will learn a lot about your car, and also, you will learn about yourself. Have fun!
     
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  19. theplanner

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    I wouldn’t worry about the wear on ur brakes and tyres at all given you are new to tracking and you most likely be instructed, you will not be near the limits of brakes or adhesion so wear will be minimal. As some have indicated, stay cool, level headed, learn from the experienced and enjoy by gradually building up your confidence. Never let the ego take over, that’s when things go wrong. Enjoy ;)

    Tyre pressure is one to keep an eye on, as your pressure & heat builds up, you will start to feel the car a little slippery. Then you need to bleed some pressure from the tyres back to the recommended.

    Dun hold your brakes after a session, cos brakes are hot and will damage your rotors and pads. Remind yourself to keep ur foot off the brakes when you are in the pit, ground is level so your car should not move once it is stationary Hence the importance of cool down laps where you just cruise around without touching the brakes to cool it down as well as your engine...
     
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  20. j09333

    j09333 Formula 3

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    Dont turn off the engine between runs.

    Always do cool down lap.

    Listen to instructors.

    Dont slam the brake but be gentle afterall it is your car.

    Ignor tire pressure or lap time. Just focus on having fun without hurting.

    Drink alot and eat good amount of calories.


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  21. Hendry2019

    Hendry2019 Karting

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    Good question, i will speak with my dealer about this

    Thanks for brining up this subject
     
  22. Hendry2019

    Hendry2019 Karting

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    WaaaW thanks a lot for your recommendation and tips. I would really suggest your reply should be pinned in this forum as you have provided lots of useful information and guidance for new driver on tracks. And i am sure many people would love to have such information.

    Thank you again and really appreciate every single word your wrote.

    Cheers
    Hendry
     
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  23. Hendry2019

    Hendry2019 Karting

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    Sure will do and thanks for your feedback

    Cheers
     
  24. Hendry2019

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    Excellent videos and thanks for sharing. Your videos makes me wanna jump into the track like today

    Did you buy fix the camera by yourself or they arranged it? If you did, any suggestion on what i need to video my track similar to yours?
     
  25. Hendry2019

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    Thank you for your feedback.

    I will post videos/information of anything related to my first track experience and details
     
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