My dealer told me there was NO WAY the Pista would be produced in the same numbers as Speciale due to the upcoming models crowding out the line. Think about it, one year production vs two.
When they launched the Speciale, they were making 6k cars per year, and an estimated 2500-3000 Speciales got built over a couple of years. Now, the production is nearly 10k, and the line has grown massively. So it would be no surprise if they manage to build at least a similar number of Pistas as Speciales.
I have no doubt years from now the standard Cars&Coffee conversation will run something like, “The Pista is a wonderful car, crazy fast...*nod head, slight wink*...but the Speciale is the one to have.”
I always love how people say "the dealer told me" or "the salesman told me." If you believe them then perhaps I could interest you in buying a bridge in Brooklyn?
Normal cars are worth ext to nothing after that long anyway. What's a 2004 Rav4 worth? $3K? Are you really interested to hold a normal series Ferrari 10-15 years anyway? In theory, Ferrari will be able to make the hybrids even better over time since battery technology will improve. In 15 years you'd probably the up with a cheaper, lighter, longer lasting battery pack than you got initially. That's the nice thing about electronics -- they don't really care how the electricity it's created or stored, it just needs to be delivered correctly.
Oh I tend to believe a dealer that accurately predicted the Speciale production numbers (around 2,500 with 1000 in the US) and has consistently been one of the largest Ferrari dealers in the United States over what you read second hand on the internet.
Hmmm, wonder why most Speciale owners including myself couldn't wait to get one? By the way I owned my Speciale for 4 years so I am no "new car flipper". I detect just a bit of jealousy in these threads from people that apparently were not either granted an allocation or could even afford one to begin with. Just my opinion.
And if you believe (as I do ) that the number of Speciale built was in the neighborhood of 2500 cars then I would agree with you. Probably 1000 make it to the US. Thats still a pretty damn rare care and a beautiful one at that.
I most certainly do not always believe what I read on the net is factual. My experience is that dealers may offer their opinions but often do not know the facts and Ferrari often changes what they do or tell their dealers. In addition, dealers do have a dog in the fight. Selling product
No jealousy...was given an allocation but opted against it (could buy many if I wanted). Nothing against the Pista as a great car, because it is a great car, I just don't think it will be as "iconic" as some other Ferrari greats. I think you see this evolving as numerous newer and faster models start rolling out of this public company over the next few years...FL and BB and all that. Each car will no doubt become faster, better handling...and a little more "absurd" for street driving. Let's face it...an F40 is much slower than all the current cars, yet commands huge desire and price....why? The "older tech" cars will remain locked in their histories.
I don't think many owners (on these forums) have taken deliveries of their car and/or the weather isn't conducive to driving yet. A number of my friends are taking deliveries in next couple of months (I'm not counting on their opinions (they'll drive them less then 500 miles and let it sit and then sell).
Dustman is correct. Let's get back to discussing the cars and not measuring egos and testosterone levels
Yes, yes, yes...you finally got it. In all honesty, if you feel like you need to put other people down, so that you may feel justified, then I say your ego is unproportional to the size of your wallet, meaning the richer you are, it should take proportionally more to rattle your ego, unless you are a very insecure person to begin with. Nothing working with that, just sharing my observation on this anonymous internet. The half full bottle, when you shake it, is the loudest. This is what I taught my son.
owner here for about 2 weeks now. Worth it? absolutely You enjoying? smile on face every time i drive it Market still above msrp? i believe so. i called BJ motors when they had one for sale and was asking 698k for it. 250k over msrp
Not putting you down at all, I don't know you. It was just a general opinion, no need to take it personally.
Same here. But I just can't help it but to observe that certain pista owners simply could not tolerate other comments that boasted speciale and seriously everytime, a pissing contest would automatically ensue.
its because DUSTY asked to hear from owners....this was his thread. Owners are trying to respond....make sense?
@dustman I am not an owner yet but flew all the way to Italy to TM mine, I saw a few in person. Its a magnificent beauty of a ride and was sold the minute I sat it in, not mention I keep playing back the the simple rev I got a taste of while on the tour. I say get the dang car and then you can be the one sharing your opinions versus the performante. Looking forward to hearing more; to me life is just a bunch of experiences and mini journeys - take'em while you can
Look I loved my Speciale. Bought it new, drove it quite a few miles and held it 4 years,,, it was a great car. I just find the notion that it somehow is a "better" car and a "better" investment than the Pista (which is prettier, faster, and far more advanced) laughable.
Dustman, do what I did and keep both. I have a Perf Spyder on order to be delivered in June along with my Pista in October (hopefully). Those should make quite the twins. The Performante is a special car as well...probably Lambos best effort to date.
