1980 308 GTB Color ??

Toms is a QV.

More power, more heat.

 

6% more power between Euro carb and QV make such a difference? We have fairly hot summers here in S/W-Germany and the highest gauge reading ever I got after a several minutes speed limit free full throttle drive -speedo showed 155mls./hr.- hitting a quarter of an hour traffic jam at 93°F was around 200°F. With A/C on.
I sometimes compare my gauge readings with an IR-temp-gun on the coolant header near the sensor and it's quite accurate.

Best from Germany
Martin

 

Your summers are not as hot as where I am from.

You are speaking of peak power, that which is almost never used during normal driving. The QV had a lot more area under the curve.

OK, you're right. They have no reputation for running hot and Ferrari wasted all that money redesigning the 328 to put in a bigger radiator or even the QV to move more air through the radiator.

Do you really feel the need to argue that which is so well known? Is arguing that important to you?

If so, leave me out. It is not something I like to do.

 

Black underside on cars that have not this original, always let the bells ring to me....you have to check if it whas'nt done to hide rust on the lower door panels.
Guido

 

I permanently love arguing about technical things. It's interesting. Isn't it? And I'm pretty sure, that you like to argue too.
It may be well known to you, but I am still in need to learn. BTW I learned to like the Rifledriver-style too
Sorry for participating in'that' discussion last year, but actually I missed you afterwards
But without kidding. I can imagine the need for a bigger radiator for the 328 with its significantly more power and displacement. But still have a problem to understand carb vs. QV regarding cooling capacity.

Best from Germany
Martin

 

I agree; it needs to be thoroughly checked and inspected. I"m also here to tell you that this fellow is one of the most, how can I say this rather diplomatically...

Well, he's currently disassembling a Buick GNX (with under 100 miles and still has the factory plastic) and restoring the underside because the previous owner didn't store it well, and he doesn't like the slight discolor on some of the underside panels.

To say that he's fanatical, fastidious, eccentric, is kinda like saying that Einstein was fairly intelligent. He's quite the odd fellow, and honestly, he's forgotten more about cars that I'll probably ever know. An incredible guy. So yes, I do have concerns, but the paint/hood/and cosmetics are the least of them. The bigger one is a 308 that's sat for 10 years without being driven. LOL Mechanicals (to me) are easier to fix than cosmetics, and usually cheaper, so if I have to choose one of the two, I'll definitely choose the mechanical.

 

Don't worry about that hood, etc.

They are Ferrari parts used 3 years later on that same model.

I think it looks cool. Besides, very very few would spot that Nardi wheel, or vertical clock and oil temp (only on an 80) and know something was a bit off.

And so what if they did?

 

Not sure if, even though the belt has low miles on it, that it still shouldn't be changed due to age. But I'm sure more experienced 3X8 owners can offer their 2 cents. Good luck with it.

 

Hey guys,
I got out and saw the car yesterday. Honestly, condition is better than I expected. Interior is *bright* red, not the maroon I saw in the first pic. He's a tinkerer, with entirely too many projects, but it's clear that back when he was driving this one regularly, he loved it a lot.

Never been in a wreck (PPI will confirm or deny). He loved the was the BB cars looked; and the rear spoiler. He replaced the hood for better cooling. He's upgraded the pistons in the brake calipers to stainless. It's clean; but under a layer of dust. No power in the battery.

He's stating that the car won't run due to a microswitch or relay on top of the "pie plate" air thing. He's figured out how to bypass it. He said if I wanted to drive it he would have it serviced and brought back to running.

Interior is pretty comfortable. Headliner is in good shape but it's stained. Paint has a couple of stress cracks. Antenna mast is broken (from a seagull on the chesapeake bay bridge; apparently the Ferrari was quicker than the bird.)

I got a few pics; they're not great. I'll post them up. Oh, and he has the original steering wheel in his safe. He showed it to me. Owners manual and binder is in the trunk. It needs some TLC; no doubt. It's a good looking car though, and might be just what I need to scratch my itch.

 

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What do the experts say?

 

Looks like it’s worth having a PPI. Its a silver boxer paint B with red leather... I like.

Pinstripe would have to go though

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The best thing about it is it’s a GTB

 

Tough crowd...

I think Napolis CUT his hood to make the venting, legend goes...from overheating in NYC traffic.

Pinstripes are a Dealer option and NOT as uncommon in the 70s/80s as now.
Seen several cars with them, always hand done, ala West Coast style.

This is a great condition, slightly modified car.

As far as Boxer Trim goes, it was common in the early years a certainly "possible" all the way to the Boxers demise in 1984.

Crack in factory filler at A pillar. normal.
Points off for whoever rattle canned the windshield and door mullions, should be anodized black....

Good luck!

 

My Silver '77 GTB also has red pinstripes, just like this one. I was told that mine's original owner lived in New Orleans, and that it spent some of its life in
North Carolina. Coincidence?

 

That is an interesting detail!

The one I saw pinstriped was here in Houston.
It was red, IIRC.....and about the same vintage as my yellow '77.

They were both in Vintage Motorcars at the time, his project was moved there after John V.s demise.

To the OP:
Two things that would be nice, once you sort the injection to it's proper performance:

16" wheels are nicer to buy tires for than the "briefly popular" 390mm ones this cars wears.
Speedo "orange zone" was a two year thing, and a full face can be retrofit at a competent Speedo Service familiar with Veglia….

My yellow car has Boxer Trim. It's "of a time" and you either like it, or not.

 

You can actually replace the mast and drive belt in the antenna if the motor still works.....

 

Yea, I agree, the best thing is it being a GTB. I like the rareness.
If I buy it, it would be a driver, not a garage queen. I like to drive my vehicles, and keep them running at peak performance.

This might be a great beginning. Think I'll get him to get it sorted out so I can drive it. I would upgrade the wheels and tires. The tires are the 2nd set it's had, the first set he destroyed in autocross. Most of the miles are highway running back to family in MD.

I want something fun and engaging as a toy. My daily driver is a huge Ram 2500 diesel, and while its loaded, comfy, and quiet, it's an absolute bore (and sometimes chore) to drive. I want something small, light, engaging with a decent amount of performance. And I think this 308 might fit the bill.

 

Well there's the answer to the stress cracks!
He used it...…

I have had cars that it showed, leave it as a Badge of Honor.

Hairdressers bought these cars too!

 

As to performance, be advised that the 2 valve injected cars of the early '80s are NOT "Pick of the Litter".

An early NON CAT carbed car would be (I have owned three of them)…..


But here's the deal.
This is a clean, unwrecked..straight original car, and you can build any Ferrari engine that fits, and cram it in there!!
This is a good Starting Point for sure.....

 

This car once sorted will be a wonderful well balanced driving experience...

 

Oh I understand it's not a powerhouse. But neither is a Miata, and they're fun to drive. So is the Porsche 944 I drive in the Chump Car endurance series. Fun doesn't have to mean fast.

I will argue that a slow car, driven at 9/10's is a lot more involving and entertaining that a stupid fast car.

I drove a 2015 Porsche Panamera Turbo last week. Absolutely astounding; but it's got about as much personality as my sofa. It's fast, comfy, quiet, well laid out, has tremendous potential that you'll never be able to properly and safely exploit on the public roads. I want something different. Interestingly, the 308 and the Pana Turbo are about the same price. Obviously we know which one would win a performance test, but which one would win the smiles per mile??

I think we all know the answer to that as well...Which is why I'm interested in the "lowly" 2vi car.

 

i had a lowly 2vi car loved it better than my carb car