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Which one of the modern most wanted supercars proved to be the best investment to date ?

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  1. MDEL

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    #1 MDEL, Mar 17, 2019
    A recent study was made by JBR capital to commemorate the 89thanniversary of the Geneva Motor Show. It compares the price evolution of the most wanted supercars launched at Geneva during the past 10 years (table below) . Ferraris are well positioned on this list confirming that in general terms they depreciate less than other brand’s models.

    The F12 Berlinetta and the 812 Superfast

    Because the F12 Berlinetta is exactly what a Ferrari should be and the last one wearing the Pininfarina emblem it’s no surprise it has depreciated little and the prices are holding. With production sold out for several years the 812 superfast is enjoying a period where the value rocket up by 46% in less than two years.


    The winners

    The first prize goes to the Lamborghini Vereno. Presented in 2013 at the Geneva Motor Show, it cost £ 2.6 million at the time, and is almost triple in 2019, with a valuation of £ 7.3 million (+ 180 %). The Ferrari LaFerrari comes in second place with 109% and passed from £ 1.15 million to £ 2.4 million. Third position, and very close, the Koenigsegg One with a valuation (2019) of £ 4 million (+ 100%).


    The Loosers
    Big disappointment for the 2013 Maserati Quattroporte (-71%). She sees her odds drop by £ 110 k £ 32 k. Then comes the 2009 Bentley Continental Supersports that loses 54% of its value in 10 years, from £ 163 k to £ 75 k (-54%). Finally, it is followed closely by the Aston Martin V8 Vantage S, tumbling 45% (£ 102 k to 56 k).
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    #2 4_Eff_Sake, Mar 17, 2019
    F12 TDF is missing from that list


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  3. BarryK

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    #3 BarryK, Mar 17, 2019
    Not a Geneva launch!

    Mugello 2015.
     
  4. MDEL

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    #4 MDEL, Mar 17, 2019
    I noticed that and I'm certain the TDF is one of the most desirable.
     
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    #5 LightGuy, Mar 17, 2019
    Also the time spread is unfair to the older cars.
    For example I'm sure there was a spike for the F12 after its introduction just like the 812.
    812 values will settle down over time obviously.
    F12 and GT3 have done pretty well actually in the "economical" range.
     
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    #6 obbob, Mar 17, 2019
    It overlooks one important aspect. Yes, all the cars mentioned are worth more than MSRP, but all the cars are also trending downwards.

    So these cars are only “investments” if you manage to buy them at MSRP and then sell them before their value hits MSRP and even below that.
     
  7. LVP488

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    #7 LVP488, Mar 17, 2019
    These figures may be questionable - if one looks at the ads in ferrarichat, there is a 812 with a $482K MSRP advertised for $470K by an official Ferrari dealer (typically selling for more than the market, and also meaning the actual seller will get, or has got, less money). A very limited loss, but far from profitability.
    It's in the US, but I doubt the global market would be that different.
     
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    #8 BarryK, Mar 18, 2019
    I totally agree. The list appears to have been put together by an intern with using base prices (a typical 812 in the UK around £320 with options, not £260 which is base) and then asking prices which we all know are not where they are typically selling in this soft market.

    If we were to look the last 10 years of Ferraris I would think the 458 aperta is probably the leader of the pack because of the relatively low launch price and options were not such a big amount as now. They are trading 100% over for one with 3-6k km. Possibly LaFerraris as well, but everything else is lower. TDF in the UK are now around 75% over and GTOs are maybe 30% over. Both of those have taken a lurch down in the past couple of months. Even my little 550 is down 25% in the last 18 months!
     
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    #9 exoticcardreamer, Mar 18, 2019
    Yeap; anyone can go to the dealer configurator, spec. the car, create the PDF and send to dealer with a small deposit and wait for the car for a few months and then make hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars on their investment.
     
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    #10 4_Eff_Sake, Mar 18, 2019
    Err, no... “anyone” can not (or did I miss the irony in your post?)


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    #11 therryzsx, Mar 18, 2019
    people love NA V12 engines, beautiful sound, no matter how fast turbo cars are ... naturally aspirated engines will be symbol of exclusivity nowadays
    huayra with turbo +5%
    zonda cinque with NA +50%
    that's say all
     
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    #12 exoticcardreamer, Mar 18, 2019
    You missed the irony -:)
     
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    #13 noone1, Mar 18, 2019
    LOL. Show me the $9M Veneno bill of sale. Smells like BS to me.
     
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    #14 lamborarri, Mar 18, 2019
    ok, 2019, cars are an investment, checked.
     
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    #16 unotaz, Mar 19, 2019
    Agreed. This list is complete bogus. Cayman GT4 selling at 31% over MSRP? :rolleyes:

     
  17. MDEL

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    #17 MDEL, Mar 19, 2019
    JBR Capital, the entity that made the list, is a British company that has a team of specialists from the best in the world and is known globally for their expertise in financing classic, prestige, luxury and high-performance cars. To date JBR has financed over £300 million. If this list was compiled without any criterium as you suggest I'm sure that earlier or later that will be reported and if proved will be a big blow to JBR Capital excellent reputation.
     
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    #18 Shopcat, Mar 19, 2019
    Did it really take a study to tell us Bentleys and Maseratis depreciate? lol
     
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    #19 3POINT8, Mar 19, 2019
    I really wish we could stop talking about these cars as investments. How about just buy what you love and drive it? How is this so hard?!
     
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    #20 Surfah, Mar 19, 2019
    You forgot to include Astons and Jags:D
     
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    #21 unotaz, Mar 20, 2019
    Maybe they are focusing on the UK market or something? Because I'm not seeing the same 30% price increase on the Cayman GT4 here in the US. :p

     
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    #22 MDEL, Mar 20, 2019
    I presume that could be the case and they are focusing on the UK market . As it was already mentioned here by other members the new Ferraris list prices are always much lower than the final cost of the cars with the extras included. I believe JBR list compares only the list prices of the different cars when they were launched at Geneva with their average market prices today.
     
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    #23 absent, Mar 23, 2019
    :)Lusso GTC4 was the best investment for me.
    No car before made my wife as happy as she is now driving daily that thing.
     
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    #24 Pinarello, Mar 23, 2019
    Look at Lexus LFA selling at auction for around 900K!
     
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    #25 LVP488, Mar 23, 2019
    The 812 example is the most controversial for me...
    Besides, I have the feeling that many times reports presenting things as good investments are actually put together by people trying to influence the market.
     
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