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Ferrari F355 Window Lift Mechanism

Discussion in '348/355' started by durgo1, Mar 20, 2019.

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  1. durgo1

    durgo1 Rookie

    Aug 16, 2014
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    Alexandria VA
    Does anyone out there have any insight into repairing a window lift on a 1999 F355 Spider? The passenger side window on my car is stuck in the down position. It does respond to the switch but only moves up or down about two inches from the fully lowered position. I have removed the outer lower air intake on the outer door as well as the inner door panel but because the window is stuck in the down position I don't know how to access the door lever mechanism cable so that I could then remove the entire window lift mechanism to further inspect it. The mech is clean and has ample lubrication which does not seem gummy. I cannot see an obstruction which is making me wonder if something electronic is going on rather than mechanical. I have cycled the convertible top mechanism as well as disconnected power to the motor to attempt some kind of reset but it still only moves slightly in either direction.
     
  2. RCKSTR

    RCKSTR Karting

    Theres a thread about this, the grease in the motor gearbox turns to a hard paste and gums up the teeth. The rivets need to be drilled out to clean and regrease, then screw it back together
     
  3. krazykarguy

    krazykarguy Formula Junior

    Apr 17, 2014
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    #3 krazykarguy, Mar 20, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2019
    Can you have an assistant try to pull evenly upwards on the glass while you operate the switch? I'm not sure about Ferrari engineering, but most power windows I've ever dealt with have had a 'safety' feature whereas the window will stop or retract when the motor senses resistance (i.e. little Jimmy's head or a cable that is jammed internally). If this is successful, the regulator is somehow messed up.

    If the window will NOT go up, the issue is typically the motor is fried. Usually from a problem that has slowly gotten worse over time.

    Regardless, you have to get the glass out of the way. If the motor won't push it up, you may have to unbolt the glass from the regulator and pull it upwards out of the door. From the Ricambi diagram, it looks like 4 bolts ( a pair on each track).

    edit: I found this non-FChat thread related to the earlier comment:
    http://www.ferraricraft.com/2014/03/ferrari-window-regulators/
     
  4. durgo1

    durgo1 Rookie

    Aug 16, 2014
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    Alexandria VA
    Thank you for your input. I will try your suggestions and see where it leads me.
    Thank you very much for your response.

    I have read that thread and seen the photos but it appears that I have a different lift system. Mine looks like a bicycle brake cable pulley not a gear driven chain cable. I have examined the ones on ebay that are for sale and they appear to also be different from mine as well as the Ricambi drawing of that part. My car is a Fiorano and perhaps they used a different mechanism?
     
  5. durgo1

    durgo1 Rookie

    Aug 16, 2014
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    Alexandria VA
    Thank you for the response. I appreciate your suggestion. It is well thought out and I will attempt to do that. I'll keep you posted.
     
  6. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
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    If the window slides are sticky, perhaps they are overloading the circuits in the window ECU. Note that the motors are driven directly by the ECU. There are no external relays for the windows. Note, however, there are a few message threads on the forum regarding window ECU internal relay failure and burnt circuit board tracks.

    I doubt it's related to the roof electronics. Window inhibits only happen if the roof is cracked open and the windows go to (or past) the 2 inch down position.
    The inhibit is then cancelled by the activation of the microswitch at the bottom of the slider plate for the left hand primary roof actuator. You could try exercising this microswitch (possible without dismantling anything: just slide your finger around the leather shroud close to the door pillar). Having said that, I didn't think the electrical inhibits allowed any movement (you have 2 inches of movement)

    As always, I stand to be corrected )
     
  7. Ferrarium

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    That article looks like 308 regulator the 348/355 is different but the issue is relatively the same. There are companies that will rebuild and rewind the motors. I put in the window accelerators they help but don't really fix the issue the issue is absolutely not ground. I have read where people got fed up and bought now motors and the windows were then fine. That tells me it is the regulator motors. Grease resistance or winding or other such in the motor. Replacing or rebuilding should do it. I have read where folk replaces and windows hauled azz after everything else failed.

    You can cross reference the motor and replace them or rebuild them.
    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/348-window-motor-serviceable.590600/
     
  8. durgo1

    durgo1 Rookie

    Aug 16, 2014
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    Alexandria VA
    Thank you all for your responses. They were helpful and gave me some ideas.

    Let me give you all an update. I was able to work the window to the full up position by toggling the window switch up and down in short bursts while pulling the glass up with each up stroke. Kinda doing two steps forward and one backward with each cycle until I got it raised. Once I did, I could see that the cable that extends from the motor to the top front part of the door frame near the mirror had two problems (see attached photo). The first is that the plastic cable fitting that mounts the cable to a retainer on the window frame (at the top right of the photo) was broken off so the cable was not maintaining proper tension and orientation. The second issue is that this caused the cable to also come out of a guide coming out of the motor which whose tension is regulated by a spring encompassing the cable.

    By lowering the window about 1/3rd of the way down I was able to release enough tension on the cable while allowing me to get my hands on the upper part to place the cable in the retainer on the frame and secure it with a zip tie as a temporary repair. I then compressed the spring on the lower end of the cable and inserted the cable into the guide at the motor and also secured its position with a zip tie. This has allowed the window to operate but with much drag and it still is grinding. I'm sure that part of the problem is that the zip tie holding the upper part of the cable in place does not prevent the metal cable housing from sliding up and into the upper pulley as the window rises. Since there is no longer a head on the cable to prevent that from happening. So, I hope to find a metal washer that I will cut a slot into to use as a sleeve or collar that I will place below the housing retainer and J.B. Weld it into place. I'm hoping that if I get the correct hole diameter on the washer that it will prevent the cable housing from advancing upward when I raise the window. Sound reasonable? We'll see. As you can tell from the photo the window track is clean. I mean this car has never been rained on since I purchased it in 2007. Never even washed. So, no dirt anywhere but I would like to add additional grease. Any recommendations on what type I should buy? If this repair doesn't solve my issues at least I can then release the door latch cable and remove the inner door frame along with the window lift mechanism and try cleaning and greasing the motor drive.
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