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Purists beware......

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  1. greg288

    greg288 Karting

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    We've seen Mitchell Button's SEMA car posted here before but now it appears he is offering to do the same to more cars.
    We could be losing more cars to this......purists will hate it, others say it makes their car more valuable, others say it's your car...do what you want etc....

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  2. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    Well...not my cup of tea, but who am I to rule by decree what taste and elegance should be? Or how people should spent their hard earned money? The good thing is that he is no Attila-the-Hun, he does not want to transform each an every car in existence: he want to do no more than 30.
    I have to say I can accept "retro-tuning" when the car is externally indistinguishable from the original: for instance, a naturally aspired 3.2 engine with 70 bhp more I can understand. Ruining Pinifarina lines by larger fenders, flippers, vanes, etc...is really sad.

    Rgds
     
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  3. HotShoe

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    I want to know how they are going to get their stated 400hp just by using ITB's on a stock 328 engine.
     
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  4. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    ...Indeed: that would be a 50% gain in power, and exactly 125 bhp per litre, no mean fact...

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  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    If it's built to be driven why the poser air bag suspension? I guess its hard to do your Beeber imitation while parked with the car at a real ride height.

    How does it have
    Electromotive ECU
    Bosch K jetronic
    KMS MD35 ECU tune
    Kenvy individual throttles
    all on the same engine?

    400 hp naturally aspirated at 9200

    What a load.


    Line up the sheep for the shearing.
     
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  6. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Well it certainly isn't stock doing 9200 RPM. But their own information shows very conflicting engine equipment.

    Sounds like a bunch of teenagers.

    Any clients they drum up deserve the screwing they'll get.
     
  7. Martin308GTB

    Martin308GTB F1 Rookie

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    They state on their website:

    "
    EVERY DETAIL OF THE BB3X8 IS A LABOR OF LOVE"

    I allow myself to correct them: Every detail of this atrocity is a labour of rape.

    Best from Germany
    Martin
     
  8. Saabguy

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    Jut looking at the absurd camber of the rear wheels is enough to make me ignore them. This is what the kids call "stance" and they wonder why they have to keep replacing tires. There are always good ways to do things and then there are, well, less than good ways.

    Lester

     
  9. thorn

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    Which is a word they had to repurpose, along with "slammed"... As it sounds so much more trendy than "fraked up" or "busted." ;)
     
  10. thorn

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    I have the sort of personality that allows me to do it with impunity. Call it narcissistic, sociopathic... or perhaps I just have good taste.
     
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  11. Martin308GTB

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    I would state, that such folks simply haven't understood the aesthetics Fioravanti has aimed at. A mixture of a certain aggressivity with italian elegance. They just dumped the elegance.

    Best from Germany
    Martin
     
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  12. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I would call it devoid of culture.
     
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  13. Martin308GTB

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    We had something similar in Germany. Even back in those days, when these cars were new. It was called 'Koenig Specials'

    Best Regards
    Martin
     
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  14. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I was never a fan of Koenig styling.
     
  15. Martin308GTB

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    Me neither, though being a teen or young twen at those times.
    IIRC Ferrari banned them from putting the Cavallino badges and Ferrari scripts on their cars.

    Best Regards
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  16. miketuason

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    I have no issue with a Singer type version of a serial production car like the 3x8. However, this specific car is ugly, tasteless, and pointless. Why is it bondo gray? Why are the rear wheels stanced? Why is it too low to drive if its a drivers car? And on and on. Surely theyre not seriously expecting people to buy these...
     
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  18. HotShoe

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    As I've said before on another thread it doesn't bother me in the least. I have no problem with people doing their own thing.

    Other than the air ride drop it's just a simple GTO body kit with GTC Mirrors. Nothing really revolutionary or that hacked up IMO.
     
  19. samsaprunoff

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    I do not understand why the design name starts with "BB"... What does this signify? In fact I wonder if the "designer", ahem, realizes that "BB" in the Ferrari World denotes a completely different car?
     
  20. kcabpilot

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    Um... they got the tail lights reversed, does that reflect on their attention to detail?
     
  21. Jdubbya

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    I don't like how low it sits or the sideview mirrors but other than that I don't think it's as horrific as folks here are making it out to be. I loved my 308 but if I'd have kept it was seriously thinking about putting a deep chin spoiler on it. I like that they made it look more aggressive, but maybe it could have been toned down a bit.
     
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  22. nerofer

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    I wrote that I do not want to be the judge on matters of taste rather tongue-in-cheek. To be more blunt: I have always believed that it is better not to try to "upgrade" the look or aesthetics of most cars.

    For a start, a shape is a product of its time; trying to make it look more "modern" or more "agressive" usually make it look "somewhere in between" as far shape or design is concerned. In the specific case of this car, in the middle of "nowhere" as far as I am concerned: nothing is coherent or integrated. Not to say that I doubt that it could actually be driven, except on a airport tarmac.
    Second, Italians, who have been living surrounded by beauty for hundreds of years usually know what they are doing (with one or two exceptions here and there for cars...). Better leave their works unaltered.
    So: I don't like it at all. I even find the lowering, its sit, and the right wheel rather ridiculous. A bit like a beautiful old lady ruined by bad taste.

    That being said, if this pleases someone, fine by me. That's their money. I won't be playing the "Police of taste", I would have by far much too much work to do...

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  23. Etcetera

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    Not to mention the wavy body panels and cooked bits all over the place. It looks like a few teenagers got ahold of a JV Whitney catalog and ordered parts that sounded cool. I like how they mix and match the spelling of program. Throwing crappy parts on a car and driving it down the street is a program now? I'm sorry, programme.
     
  24. Martin308GTB

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    Playing "police of taste" is fun :)

    Best Regards
    Martin
     
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  25. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    ...but, and to paraphrase Chateaubriand (on another matter), that would ask for a lot of efforts, as there are many needy people...

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