NEW V8 MID ENGINED MODEL (BIG BROTHER)

Disagree.

There is a market. I expect the BB to be a $650k car though.

 

Maybe 600,000€ ? For 1000hp? It seems to me to be the deal of the century...

 

He quoted Euro's which would make it 1 Million USD

 

very likely the 4WD Hybrid will have a price 100 k more than the actual Flagship, the 812S. As 812 S base price is 300 k euro here in Italy, I expect a base price around 400-410 K euro for the new mid engine flagship. Or maybe a bit less. 4WD, V8 TT, no CF, only electric front axle, around 900 Hp (720+180): those are the rumors.

ciao

 

Doors go up or not? Can you ask the rumors pls?

 

Bro, rumors are rumors…

ciao

 

If that’s true I’m not really impressed. Without CF and the already known 720 CV from the existing V8 engine it seems to be not much more than a Pista/F8 with some electric support.

 

Three electrics motors are the most obvious choice for BB .

 

were you waiting for a VTOL car?

ciao

 

What would the market be with cars like 003 being sold at those prices? Not a chance in hell the new flagship compares with 003.

 

With electric motors
surely carbon tub to counter extra weight
this car will be HEAVY

 

Definitely not! A carbon tub would be a nice starting point though.

 

I agree, even more if it comes in the form of Targa as some say

 

I have to say that I heard few rumors about the tub, maybe it will have carbon, who knows. But there are A LOT of rumors about the V8 TT Hybrid engine (that has been already seen many times in the definitive model) and three electric motors with active cornering front axle and a lot of hi tech. The car will be heavier than the F8 exactly like the LaF is heavier than the Enzo: But a very famous Ferrari test driver(who already drove many times all the new Ferrari we didn't see yet...) told me "LaF is much better than the Enzo despite being hybrid. And the new models, that will be more powerful than the actual ones but also heavier due to the battery weight, will be better than the actual ones."

Ciao

 

Ok so there is still hope.. When you said “no CF” you were referring to the body panels? Does the BB use the current 3.9 V8 for the ICE part or is it a new design?

 

Never sell ? people will suck their dealer to have an allocation... Ferraris have never been so expensive and have never sold so well. Why shoudn't there be no used market ? Your statement is the opposite of everything that is observed on the Ferrari car market

 

For production cars Ferrari are committed to aluminum construction for the foreseeable future

 

This is so stupid... come on everyone else is going CF Ferrari!

 

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/ferrari-develops-new-modular-vehicle-architecture-ar171130.html

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1027468_ferraris-next-generation-platform-to-be-15-percent-lighter

 

I don't understand the fixations with carbon tubs and butterfly doors. Ferrari has worked with Alcoa since the 360 and 612, and they get the combination of stiffness and weight reduction that they want in a tried and true way. CF is not some God material, and creating and curing the layers when making it has its own set of drawbacks, time and expense among them. Ferrari will move to CF chassis if and when they think there will be an advantage to do so.

Butterfly doors are just a poseur item, IMO, and they too have complications that are prone to cause problems. You know how irritating old and weak struts are on your hoods and engine covers? Imagine how irritating a sagging door that hits your head would be, or one that has a strut broken entirely.

I'm sure the BB will be awesome and astonishing even if it has an aluminum tub and normal doors.

 

This is exactly what I’m expecting but I’m not disappointed at all. It’s basically going to be a Pista engine with hybrid electric power on a whole new platform that will introduce Ferrari’s new design language, inside and out, for the next decade or so.

Not sure what’s disappointing about that? ~900 HP, 0-60 in ~2 sec., and a futuristic looking, mid-engine design all in a normal production car sounds insane to me! I could care less about the carbon tub.... there’s no way a mere mortal like me could get close to using all that performance even without it.


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Won't

Wrong on both accounts IMO.

1. CF tub is lighter, so regardless of your opinion on the value of it, it's a fact.

2. The CF tub is significantly stiffer, so the Spider needs no additional weight. So not only do you save the weight of the tub, you save an additional significant amount of weight in the SSpider.This why there was practically no drawback from the McLaren spider versus the coupe, whereas Ferrari spiders are known to be inferior.

3. The doors are no worse open some cases can be even better. I have yet to hear about butterfly door breaking, besides, do you really care about what happens to the strut on a 20-year-old exotic car? Are you keeping your cars long enough for these things to break? It will be a cheap fix anyway ...

 

No, you are wrong. That is a fact, not my opinion. The weight is only one factor, but you are too short sighted to see that. There are entire books about cost versus benefit. Read one of them. All you do is expose your ignorance with every post you make. Doesn't that embarrass you, even a little? I don't care, frankly, but others might be taken in by your blatant misinformation.

And, BTW, do you even own a Ferrari? Or any other exotic? So why don't you fill out your profile and subscribe? I think you are nothing but a troll. Prove me wrong.

 

Ferrari have said that they can get the aluminum as light as carbon and that they prefer the aluminum because after an accident or wreck damage is very clear and easy to define unlike carbon fiber.

 

Cost benefit analysis is for the benefit of Ferrari, not customers. Do you think Ferrari is passing those savings on to you? Judging by the $4K software option that comes free on a Honda, and the $1000 different colored thread in your seatbelt, I'm pretty sure hell will freeze over before Ferrari passes any savings on to you.

The CF options on the F8 add up to $150K. That's nearly as much an an entire 570S, which BTW has probably 10x as much CF just in the tub itself than an F8 with every CF option combined. So please don't tell me about cost benefit analysis of a consumer super premium luxury good.

BTW, do a search on here about scuttle shake in the V8 Spiders. Here's a quote from an owner:
"I am critical of mine, my 458 SA scuttle shaken infuriates me. Again Mac has loads less scuttle."

I don't own a Ferrari btw, but I did have those fancy butterfly doors for 5 years and they worked flawlessly.