488 HELE

You missed my point. The intent of the law is not for exotic cars with such small numbers in commute everyday. But maintaining the law with exceptions that are loosely defined and will always be in question what is an exotic and what is not, is impractical. If you question the impact on pollution if implemented as a general law for all cars, that is a different discussion, perhaps for another thread.

 

Thanks for posting. It is not on my 2018 488 Spider (the owner's manual still shows it as an option, which I did not order), and my dealer "thinks" it can still be turned off on the F8, but he indicated he would check to be sure. Have not heard back yet. Unless I'm missing something, this would really take away from the driving experience for me. I will likely keep my 488 if that's the case. I may still get the F8, but I'll likely continue my 488 Spider as my DD.

Jim

 

I did miss your point and see it now. You can also tell by my response that I do not question the impact on pollution if implemented as a general law for all cars. I want to see this implemented for the mass of cars since they are not enthusiasts and hate driving anyway. Maybe just saying anything over 700 naturally aspirated HP with less than 2K miles a year are exempt given we could care less about fuel efficiency and don't contribute anything measurable to global pollution. The rest can drive their electric shavers or autonomous ride shares while they stay connected to social media and save the planet.

 

You should become a politician (no offense intended!)

 

I can find no such law, I do not believe there is such a law (details below) I think your references either have no way to accomplish the request because no factory provided mechanism exists or someone told them not to do it.

As for no such law, this from October 2018:

- Overview of the CAFE Model Technology Potential Pathway

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/documents/ld_cafe_co2_nhtsa_2127-al76_epa_pria_181016.pdf

from page 368:

6.3.9.1 Start-Stop systems (12VSS) and cost estimates by vehicle class and vehicle size
[12VSS = 12Volt Start Stop]

The start-stop technology, also known as a micro-hybrid system, is the most basic hybrid system that facilitates idle start-stop capability. In this system, the integrated starter generator is coupled to the internal combustion (IC) engine. With this system, when the vehicle comes to an idle-stop the IC engine completely shuts off, and with the help of 12-volt battery, the engine cranks and starts again in response to throttle to move the vehicle. This technology is beneficial to reduce fuel consumption and emissions when the vehicle frequently stops such as in city driving conditions or in stop and go traffic. This technology can be applied to all classes of vehicles. The 12-volt battery used for the start-stop system is an improved unit capable of higher power, increased life cycle, and capable of minimizing voltage drop on restart. Micro-hybrid systems may continue to use lead-acid batteries with capability to prevent steep discharge. The regular lead acid battery is traditionally used for starting, lighting and ignition. Deeply discharging the traditional batteries may greatly shorten its life span. The technology costs for 12VSS do include any incremental battery costs. For only this specific electrification technology, this analysis developed the battery cost estimate and as ANL did not provide costs for this battery configuration.

Because this is simply part of an analysis of potential regulatory ideas, there is no such law...not yet at least

 

I understand for EU (and Switzerland as well, which is not in the EU).
2020 or 2021.

Marcel Massini

 

I was so happy of the way HELE works on 488

 

So...it sounds like it is not yet required in US, but obviously Ferrari could decide it's easier design and build ALL models to meet EU requirement, and based on some comments here in the forum, that sounds like the plan.

I gave this more thought after my last post last night and decided if it is in the F8, and cannot be turned off, I will cancel my order until I have an opportunity to learn more about how it affects driving (basically want to test drive the car, or perhaps wait for an owner to post), not worried about the delay. I recently drove a friends car (not a Ferrari) that has it installed, and it was very noticeable and distracting. I could never get comfortable with that in a Ferrari. I'll keep my 488.

Jim

 

Thanks!

 

I have a December 2015 U.K. F12 with HELE and once switched off, it never comes on unless you change it. Even when coming back to the car. My October 2018 U.K. 488 Spider however is different. I have to switch HELE off each time. It’s annoying.

 

This is my understanding too. At least for right now, it can be turned off and kept off until the car is parked/turned off correct?

Again, in my Porsche I don't mind on start up just hitting the button once and that's the last time I touch it until I park, turn car off, then come back to car start it up and drive off again (then I need to hit the button again)

If it becomes a feature that cannot ever be disabled, as in you are forced to stop at a light and have the engine shut off then come back on when you let off the brake no matter what, that would be a big buzz kill and I am praying that is not the case on my 19 488

 

Everyone get ready for not even being able to turn it off.
Same thing with the particle filter!
Sound will even be crappier in a turbo car (it makes an NA much worse now imagine in a turbo).
Check this video about it:


Now to the crappy sound, add weight and complexity that can be a PITA if you track or push your car a lot...
RIP ice engine. You will be missed...

 

When you depressed in the future just what this HERITAGE !!!!

https://www.facebook.com/AmazingRides/videos/437274376397457/

 

It is going to become a feature that cannot ever be disabled. That will soon be the law in EU, and likely same will be rolled out to new cars produced for ROW.

Yes, MAJOR buzzkill. As will be the sound after GPF's are installed in exhaust systems of all new cars. Most people don't know yet what is on the horizon but it's all really bad stuff for Ferraris.

 

I predict that one day there will be a little "black box" that you can buy and it may open or close HELE

 

Already now illegal in the country I live.

Marcel Massini

 

My dealer just indicated "the word is" the US models (F8) will have HELE, but will also have the On/Off button. He also said this has not been confirmed (by the factory I assume), but they will update when confirmed.

Jim

 

I would assume so too. My Lusso has the mandatory HELE option despite me specifically not wanting it.

 

The mandatory HELE is just the beginning of a complete loss of driver control coming in less than two years.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/93687/eu-lists-11-car-safety-systems-to-become-mandatory-from-2021

 

I guess the days of changing models every couple/few years will soon be over for me. I'll be keeping the models that don't force HELE, I for one could never accept the engine shutting down in stop/go traffic, or traffic lights, just not acceptable in high performance cars, IMO. Sad really.....

Jim

 

Same here.

Marcel Massini

 

If HELE becomes mandatory and cannot be disabled and GPF becomes mandatory, I have no incentive to trade up to new sports cars.

 

I think a lot of us feel exactly the same.

 

My wife and my bank account will be happy, me not so much

 

Does your dealer have any idea about the introduction of the GPF on FNA delivered F8 cars?