LEC and VET similar to ALO and HAM?

OK, but why did Hamilton get selected by a front-running team in his first year in F1 then?

And why Ron Dennis wasn't afraid of unleashing him against a double WDC ?

 

Nothing against Leclerc, but if he wants to emulate Hamilton' 5 WDCs, I think he will have to leave Ferrari soon or later, IMO.
Since the Schumacher era, the Scuderia has been constantly unable to deliver a dominant car year after year. That's a fact.
It didn't happen with Alonso, and it's not happening with Vettel either, 2 ex-WDC.
I cannot see Leclerc having a dominant Ferrari Under him for 5 years like Michael Schumacher benefited during the Todt-Brawn-Byrne period.

 

You could be right of course, but you must also know that no team stays in the top forever.....i remenber my school mates saying Mclaren was unbeatable...sure, for a couple of years, look where they are now! One thing i know is that the tam at the top keeps changing, but most of the time, Ferrari, i9f not winning, is the team chalenging, so, in the long run i think they are a very good team to be in. Ferrari had a dominat period in the 50s, in the 70s, in the 2000s, and they are much stronger now than they were in the years they weren't winning. Sooner or later they will be on top again, maybe even this year, and Charles isn't going anywhere.

 

We must have different opinions of what is a dominant period.

The 1952 and 1953 seasons were run Under F2 régulations, after the departure of Alfa Romeo.

Ferrari mostly raced against private teams or drivers, and Ascari, who took both titles, had no opposition.

The car that took Fangio to his 4th title in 1956, was a ... Lancia run Under the banner of Scuderia Ferrari.

In 1958, Mike Hawthorn became champ with Ferrari against Stirling Moss who gifted him the title.

I don't call any of that a dominant period.

 

52 and 53 Ferrari won almost every race, f.2 cars or not, it was f.1 championship and Ferrari dominated it, i don't see what's your doubt?

 

It's quite obvious. He doesn't rate Ferrari, and could have done a better job himself at the helm. That's why he lives on FChat

 

Because he attended McLaren pre-school.

 

He wasn’t selected, he was groomed to be there by Ron Dennis from a youngish age. Instead of farming him out elsewhere, he put him in the second seat, as number two by contract. He then decided to rip up the contract he had with Alonso and let Elton fight with him, and gave Elton preferential treatment within the team.

As a result, when Alonso had the opportunity, he blew the whistle on McLaren cheating, and they were fined a massive sum. McLarens cheating didn’t end with the stolen designs of course, Elton was caught lying to stewards, so he clearly was brought up in the ‘McLaren way’.

I hope LeClerc, or even better, Mick Schumacher, lead ferrari through a dominant period where Elton is shown to be just a barely above average driver who had a great car for a while, and all his cheerleaders here will be off to Mercedes-chat, or faux gangsta-chat, or whatever ****ty sites celebrate the doofus

 

This is a blatant lie! How in the world did Hamilton destroy McLaren. It’s astonishing some of the things posted here.

 

No matter how many times you say it, it doesn’t mean that its true. Hamilton was not given preferential treatment. Alonso wanted preferential treatment and Ron Dennis agreed up until Canada where he changed his mind and decided to treat both guys equally and Hamilton promptly scored his first pole and win.

 

How do you possibly know, were you part of the team or what is your "knowledge" based on?

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Various reports of the time have been made involving insiders including Alonso himself, and all of which have acknowledged Ron’s insistence on not honouring alonsos number one contract almost from the start. I have not said that Elton didn’t drive well, nor take to f1 quickly, but it was vastly helped by his being firmly embedded in the team for a number of years, favouritism from Ron that was enforced through the ranks, and the fact the McLaren was a top car, and well balanced and easy to drive (course it was, it was built using stolen plans of the car that was the best out there that year, so clearly it would be on a par with its legal identical twin!). They are all out there to find and read, I think motorsport.com of one of the sites ran one such article very recently, shouldn’t be hard to find.

 

Good post. I recall during the Schumacher is, thinking if Ferrari were ever going to be beatable. Happened in 2005. devastatingly. Then they recovered and had been patchy ever since. However this Merc dominance is getting horribly boring. Plus the engine makers if i recall drafted the hybrid engine rules, correct? I seem to recall Renault was the one pushing like crazy and threatening to walk out if it doesn't materialize.

 

Ascari and Ferrari had no opposition

Just look at the entries for the 1952 and 53 seasons. It's mostly private teams and privaters.

 

You have your timeline wrong - the Stephney 'photocopying incident' happened in March/April of 2007. This would - of course - have had zero bearing on the initial design and build of McLaren's 2007 Mp4/22.

 

Yes...and Ferrari dominated right?

 

Against no opposition.

They got a reality check in 1954 when Mercedes entered the ring though !!!

 

Lewis Hamilton has claimed McLaren would rather he won the title than his team-mate Fernando Alonso.
Last Updated: 28/09/07 9:12am
Lewis Hamilton has confirmed what many already suspected: McLaren would rather he won the title than his team-mate Fernando Alonso.

Since almost the very start of the season, Alonso has claimed that McLaren are not giving him the backing that they should.


The Spaniard has continuously expressed his unhappiness at the situation, which has partly led to the deterioration of his relationship with his team boss Ron Dennis.


However, it appears his fears may be coming true with Hamilton admitting that McLaren would rather he won this year's Drivers' Championship title than Alonso.

"When you are in a relationship with a certain amount of people, you do the best job you can and want to show to everyone that you are the one for the team," the 22-year-old said.

"In this situation, I was a rookie and he was the two-time World Champion coming into the team. He is the one that was looked at to bring it home, but eventually I have earned more respect from them.

"And since what's gone on in the last few weeks they've realised who the real people are in the team and who they really should back.

"I feel my bond with the team is even stronger."


there are several repotrs from former Mclaren staff that Dennixs wanted Elton to win over Alonso at all costs.

he simple fact that dennis himself told " We were racing Alonso not Kimi" is more than enough.

 

This is a blatant lie....

 

True, they did...but still dominated the 2 previous years...

 

And what was Ferrari back then? A company in their 5th year selling a few roadcars to finance racing. Hardly the company Mercedes was entering in 1954 as you referred to....

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I can be categoric about that, but from a team manager's point of view, it made sense.
There is more merit for a team winning with a rookie than with an established driver, already twice WDC.
Ron Dennis must have had early confirmation that Lewis Hamilton was up to the task of challenging Alonso.
So, pushing Hamilton made sense, IMO. And it worked too.
Also, Dennis (and Mercedes later) had seen the advantage to promote a driver from different background, for obvious commercial reasons.
I am not saying that Alonso is not marketable, but Hamilton was bound to bring a new audience to F1, and that's exactly what happened.
The power of sponsors behind the scene should not be Under-estimated.

 

Yeah, no WDC, no WCC and 100 million fine... that is exactly how it is done [emoji57]

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Ron Dennis could have acted differently, of course.
Nobody could have predicted the turn of events that season.
People are always clever with insight, aren't they?
But Hamilton has arrived, and a star was born !!!

 

I think it is hilarious. First there is a categorical denial that there was any preference within the team because that might take anything away from the Lewis fairy tale and when someone post a link that says different all of this sudden this preferred treatment is used as a proof for Lewis superiority. That looks like no matter what is said, some over here bend it just like they need it at the moment...

I always said that there is not a surprise that Ron preferred his own protege against a 2xWDC as it would not only make his team look better if he wins the WDC but also himself as he was the one spotting the talent. Add Rons ego and it is a no brainer... But obviously he handled things wrong and it is not OK to put all this only on Fernando, Lewis had his part in it as well!

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